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Old Jun 16, 12, 9:56 am   #1
 
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All you need to know about configurations on Alitalia's A330's and B777's

Here are listed general notes on the A330 and B777 fleet of Alitalia.


A330

March 2014 update! There are now three configurations in the fleet, listed below:


Old / "Air One" configuration

The two old "Air One"-style A330's are still running on some routes, usually only appearing on the following: BOS, ORD, YYZ and LOS/ACC. Other A330 flights should be with the new aircraft delivered 2009 and later. Check on the alitalia website if premium economy is being sold for your flight, that indicates presence of the new A330's.

There's not much to say about the old A330's other than old uninteresting seats; service should be the same as on other flights. Here's the seat map:
http://corporate.alitalia.it/en/comp...-alitalia.html --> click on "seats map" in A330 under Long Haul, the old A330 is the map on the right

The seating is 20 J and 263 Y

(it looks like seats 38 J-K have extra legroom?)


2009 configuration

The cabin layout of the A330's which haven't been reconfigured yet can be seen in the same place as above, on the left. The seating is 28 J, 21 Y+ and 181 Y. As of March 2014, nine A330's are in this configuration. The other three are composed of the two Air One planes and one A330 in the new configuration (see below).

The J seating is the new staggered 1-2-1 layout and flat-bed seats, with E-G seats being the "honeymoon" type. A and L are window seats, C, D, H, J are isolated aisle seats. The corridors and seating in J on the A330 will be slightly tighter than on the B777's which use the same layout but in a wider cabin.

The service in J is the award-winning meal after departure, followed by a breakfast or snack before arrival, and an open bar during the flight. The entertainment is the most updated version of the touch-screen PTV's, with lots of fun and stuff loaded.

Here's a quick picture of the seat:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ru...Magnifica7.JPG

Here are some trip reports:
http://boardingarea.com/pointmetothe...usiness-class/
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/217094/
http://www.aviazionecivile.org/vb/sh...-Milano-FINITO! (Italian)
http://www.aviazionecivile.org/vb/sh...oLi-Replay22it (Italian)

In Y+ there is a 2-3-2 layout, so slightly better than economy. Greater recline is possible and there is more legroom, as well as an interesting-looking footrest. You get an almost-J amenity kit and an improved catering, although the latter is still quite far from what J gets. Other benefits are the 200% miles, and that you can bring two suitcases of 23KGS each, also the Y+ has a secluded cabin which is calmer than the Y section. For seats, it is apparently better to avoid the first row as the bulkhead impedes legroom significantly. A couple of short testimonies can be found on our very own forum:
AZ Classica Plus Review (A330)
Alitalia Classica Plus JFK-MXP-JFK

As for the Y cabin, it is a standard 2-4-2 layout with comfort being good according to most, do note there have been some horror stories about entertainment boxes, but I have personally never minded them, and the A330 has smaller ones compared to B777. Meal service is followed by open bar and breakfast/snack before arrival. On longer flights, longer than about 11 hours, there's also a mid-flight snack, and the pre-arrival meal is bigger. Entertainment is very good with touchscreen PTV's, unlike on the B777.

If you're wondering about which seats to chose, 11 A-C-J-L look quite good, and maybe something around rows 34-35 which are in 2-3-2 and near the crew rest so probably a bit calmer, also since there's no toilets at the back (although there is the open bar). 23 A-C-J-L look good enough to be worth the comfort fee of €60, any other comfort seats are probably not worth it. Take a look also at rows 12-20 J-L which seem slightly more spacious than their A-C counterparts. Also if alone and wanting to recline without annoying anyone (also no one poking into the IFE on your back), try 32 D, or even 33 D-E-G which only have crew rest behind them so a similar situation. Good luck!

Trip reports:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/232882/


2014 configuration

The A330's are now being reconfigured to a new cabin layout. The seats shouldn't have changed (with a bit of luck?), what's basically happened is that J and Y+ seats have been taken away to make space for more Y seats. Which is a bit of a strange strategy, but there you go.

The new seating arrangement is 20 J, 17 Y+ and 213 Y. As of March 2014, one out of twelve A330's have been reconfigured.

The 20 J seats at the front of the cabin have remained unchanged. The 8 J seats in the further back J area have been removed and replaced with 17 Y+ seats, 2 rows of A-C-J-L seats and 3 rows of D-E-G seats. The rest of the plane, which used to have 181 Y seats and 21 Y+ seats, has been reconfigured into an all-economy cabin with 213 seats. So what were three rows of Y+ have become four rows of Y - which would suggest that they haven't changed most of the Y cabin, thankfully. This would mean that most of the seating advice for the Y cabin will remain the same, although the row numbers will be different. For the Y+ we'll have to wait and see.

There's no seat-map nor any testimonials available as of yet.
*Update* -- A couple of unofficial seat maps (without seat numbers) have been given here: http://www.aviazionecivile.org/vb/sh...-Parte-8/page8 [posts #177 and #184]
Also, seat reservation during the online booking process seems to have disappeared, possibly due to the reconfiguration process. That means seat reservation is only possible during online check-in or by phone.


B777

All B777's are now of the new 2012 configuration. The seating is 30 J, 24 Y+ and 239 Y.

The seat map is in the same place as the A330 ones, under B777:
http://corporate.alitalia.it/en/comp...-alitalia.html

The J product is the best Alitalia has to offer. 1-2-1 seating as in the A330 makes for a very spacious cabin, and the seats are of course flat-bed type. E, G seats are "honeymoon", A, L are window and C, D, H, J are isolated aisle seats. The service, as on the A330's, is the award-winning meal after departure, open bar, and then breakfast/snack before arrival. Note that the IFE on the B777's has remained of the old type for some reason, so PTV's are a little jittery, but there's still the same good content. Trip reports here:
http://boardingarea.com/pointmetothe...-fco-jfk-rome/

For the B777 premium economy, the layout is 2-4-2 allowing for more comfort - that's two seats less in each row than economy. There is the improved catering and other benefits of Y+ as stated above. The seats are a hard-shell type, different to the Y+ on the A330's. Rather than reclining they slide forwards, which some people have found annoying, others not - let us know what you think. A TR is available on aviazionecivile (look at the return flight):
http://www.aviazionecivile.org/vb/sh...-Classica-Plus

In Y there is the dreaded 3-4-3 layout, however legroom is good so this configuration has been described as OK by users, although the A330 is preferable. Again some complaints about entertainment boxes, and on the B777 the entertainment system is still of the old type with smaller and less responsive PTV's, content is still good. So you know, the entertainment boxes are under seats A, E, G, L.

As for the seats, most good-looking seats are blocked from free reservation, however out of the comfort seats I would say only row 20 J-K-L are worth the €60 fee. Watch out in particular that 31 A-B-C-J-K-L are narrow seats. 21-24 are not available to reserve, however 25-28 J-K-L are free for reservation and look quite good, and in general the forwards cabin, rows 18-28, looks better than the back cabin rows 31-44, except 41-42 A-B-C which might be worth a shot. Although I usually try to avoid the middle seats (D-E-G-H), it looks like to make up for it they have slightly more room. So up to you really. As in the A330 there's one seat with no one behind you to complain about reclining, and that's 39 D. The downside is you might get people bumping into you as they walk down the aisle. So use this one as a last resort if all other nice seats are taken!

Trip reports:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/219027/
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/227113/


Comparison:
*J is slightly better on B777 due to wider cabin.
*Y is slightly better on A330 due to better layout and new IFE.

That's it!

If you have any suggestions or additional questions please comment below.

Over and out.


EDIT: The menus for J catering are available here (thanks orbitmic for the suggestion):

https://www.alitalia.com/ru_EN/your_...ess/index.aspx

There's also plenty of recipes which look interesting to try out :-P.

UPDATE: It would seem that at least temporarily the above link is no longer updated. The menus each month are a rotation of various regional specialities ("best of" concept).

UPDATE 2: I've found this page, although it's unclear whether it's actually updated each month (the page just says "this month's menu"):
https://www.alitalia.com/it_en/Volar...ica_-_business --> click on "find out more" below "Magnifica meals".

Last edited by bungler; Apr 5, 14 at 7:21 am.. Reason: added B777 seating advice as suggested by saroutou; updated post as is now sticky; updated with new links and A330 layout
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Old Jun 16, 12, 10:22 am   #2
 
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Thanks, great thread idea!! One detail - I might be wrong but I think that the old A330 is also flying FCO-ORD for a few more weeks. Also, if I'm not mistaken, even in J, the breakfast is always cold continental type. Menus in J follow regional themes, change every 3 months, and are available on alitalia.com. One region is for ex-Italy and the other region inspires the food to Italy.

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Old Jun 16, 12, 11:52 am   #3
 
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Thanks Bungler! Great job!
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Note that the first cabin (row 18 29) in Y in "new" configuration seats J K L are "seat plus" with a better pitch as row 19 JKL is missing.
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Old Jun 22, 12, 9:39 am   #5
 
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BUMP!

Not sure if you're allowed to keep the thread at the top this way, but I do think it deserves stickiness.

Please also help me locate a TR for economy on the A330 and business on the B777, if you ever come across one!

EDIT: I have asked for this thread to become sticky at the TalkBoard forum. I don't know if that's the right procedure but hopefully they'll direct me to someone.

EDIT 2: Ok I've been given instructions, shouldn't be long now.

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Old Jun 23, 12, 11:36 am   #6
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Shouldn't be long at all. So, how does one explain a competent, helpful bungler? Grazie mille, bungler!

Anyone looking for the old 767 / 763 / Magnifica seats thread can go here: All you need to know about Alitalia 767 / 763 Seat Plans and Magnifica Seats. Godere vostro forum.

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Old Jun 24, 12, 4:48 am   #7
 
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Thanks a lot! I hope this thread will be useful.
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, even in J, the breakfast is always cold continental type. Menus in J follow regional themes, change every 3 months, and are available on alitalia.com. One region is for ex-Italy and the other region inspires the food to Italy.
Breakfast is continental (no eggs), with warm baked food (brioches, bread...).

Change of menus is every 2 months if I'm not wrong.
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Wink the photo trip reports about AZ B777 new 3-class seats

I wrote a photo trip report and it includes many photos of AZ B777 new 3-class seats. This trip report was post in a Taiwanese aviation forum but I think you still can understand the details of these new seat design.

The link is:
http://www.jadeair.com.tw/discuz/vie....php?tid=11685
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I wrote a photo trip report and it includes many photos of AZ B777 new 3-class seats. This trip report was post in a Taiwanese aviation forum but I think you still can understand the details of these new seat design.

The link is:
http://www.jadeair.com.tw/discuz/vie....php?tid=11685
Excellent bearteacher!!!

Great photos!!

What routing were you on? Narita -> FCO / MXP? What was the trip like?
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Shouldn't be long at all. So, how does one explain a competent, helpful bungler? Grazie mille, bungler!

Anyone looking for the old 767 / 763 / Magnifica seats thread can go here: All you need to know about Alitalia 767 / 763 Seat Plans and Magnifica Seats. Godere vostro forum.

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Agree JDiver. I really wish to thank bungler for all the time and work he has put into this thread. Great job!!!
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FCO-NRT

Sorry I did not mention the route.

The flight I took was from FCO to NRT.
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Breakfast is continental (no eggs), with warm baked food (brioches, bread...).

Change of menus is every 2 months if I'm not wrong.
It's every three months: February, May, August, and November get the new menus.

And indeed, the breads/ viennoiseries are heated on AZ but by my book that does not make it a warm breakfast. In fact, AZ breakfasts are actually a particularly minimal conception of continental breakfast. You don't even get cheese or cured meats, and it is also annoyingly repetitive (basically, always feels the same). I'd call it the only weak part of their long haul J catering.
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Yes in Europe we tend to have the same thing for breakfast every day - makes an English breakfast even better when you get one!
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Anyone know if there are any mis-aligned windows in business on the 777? I'm debating between 5A and 1J.
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