New F Seats
#16
Join Date: Oct 2015
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Yeah, pitch is 41" as I understand, so same as the reconfigured planes currently have. Legroom might be slightly better if the new seatback is thinner. Per the article, seat will not have a legrest, but just a fold-out footrest. Probably just a metal bar that folds down from the back of the seat in front of you. Amtrak has this style of footrest on some of the seats on their trains. I find them pretty useless.
JAL has them in their PE seats. Sometimes it's ok, other times it's annoying. If it's like that kind, the footrest automatically locks so you have to pull it all the way up to readjust it. Anything blocking it such as a shifted underseat bag makes it more difficult and appear to be jammed.
The whole thing seems to be a PR piece written by a easily snowed reporter. Lots of comparison to coach seating, which is ridiculous. How does it compare to other F seats on Alaska and Alaska's competitors?
Last in the article's photo lineup:
I guess these will be fondly remembered in the future?
#17
Join Date: May 2006
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#19
Join Date: May 2013
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The production lead time for seats is about 24 months, longer when certification is required (likely for any new seat program at an airline). I suppose AS could have avoided announcing the new seats in advance, ordered them, waited the few years it would take to take delivery of all the retrofited seats and then suddenly told everyone that it'd be done in a few weeks/months.
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In aviation, there are not many schedules you can pay throw money at to accelerate.
#20
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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[QUOTE=rustykettel;28813490]Yes, can be seen in the second photo in the article
That's disappointing. The seat "out of the box" like in the Recaro brochure with the actual leg rest looks nice. The fold down footrest not so much. Also concerns me that somebody constantly moving there feet or putting pressure on these will cause movement of seat in front??
What do they do for bulkhead seats? Mount them on the bulkhead??
That's disappointing. The seat "out of the box" like in the Recaro brochure with the actual leg rest looks nice. The fold down footrest not so much. Also concerns me that somebody constantly moving there feet or putting pressure on these will cause movement of seat in front??
What do they do for bulkhead seats? Mount them on the bulkhead??
#21
Join Date: Oct 2015
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#22
Join Date: May 2003
Location: PDX USA
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Color me unimpressed as well.
Also read this:
Really - a common requested feature? And "on the side of"?
SMH
Like the idea of the cup holders, but they are going be crumb collectors from cinnamon cookies and who knows what else. Look for those to not be cleaned well.
On the plus side, the power port arrangement is much improved over the current seat.
Also read this:
Woerner, the Alaska vice president, said lots of pocket space was a commonly requested feature from customers, and the new seat delivers with multiple pouches on the side of and in front of the seat.
SMH
Like the idea of the cup holders, but they are going be crumb collectors from cinnamon cookies and who knows what else. Look for those to not be cleaned well.
On the plus side, the power port arrangement is much improved over the current seat.
#23
Join Date: May 2009
Location: EUG
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Color me unimpressed as well.
Also read this:
Really - a common requested feature? And "on the side of"?
SMH
Like the idea of the cup holders, but they are going be crumb collectors from cinnamon cookies and who knows what else. Look for those to not be cleaned well.
On the plus side, the power port arrangement is much improved over the current seat.
Also read this:
Really - a common requested feature? And "on the side of"?
SMH
Like the idea of the cup holders, but they are going be crumb collectors from cinnamon cookies and who knows what else. Look for those to not be cleaned well.
On the plus side, the power port arrangement is much improved over the current seat.
#24
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Pacific Wonderland
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#25
Join Date: May 2008
Location: SEA
Programs: AS MVPG, UA, HA, DL
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I do commercial aircraft reconfiguration for a living.
It is not unusual for it to be at least a year between contract award and the start of the mod.
Depending on the size of the fleet, it can easily be a year or two to mod all the aircraft involved.
#29
Join Date: May 2003
Location: SFO, mostly
Posts: 2,196
Wonder why AS doesn't want to include the legrest that is shown in the brochure version in the seat back? Added weight?
Also, the article doesn't say if the seat recline will be any greater than it is presently. Overall, I'm trying to figure what aspect of these seats is an improvement, apart having more seatback storage and better location of the usb/power ports.
Also, the article doesn't say if the seat recline will be any greater than it is presently. Overall, I'm trying to figure what aspect of these seats is an improvement, apart having more seatback storage and better location of the usb/power ports.
#30
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Airlines don't pull planes out of flying status just to change the seats, they will add it to another scheduled maintenance operation. So it will take time to get it done. Went through a configuration change on UA when I flew them and it took forever too.