sdsearch

Are you saying it doesn't look flat, or just that it doesn't horizontal? (If you're seeing pictures online, please provide a link. Thanks.) "Flat lay" is just marketing speak which can mean just about anything, so really means nothing.

A board with no bends standing vertically is still flat, it's just not horizontal.

A board with a nasty bulge in it may be horizontal, but not at all flat.

So flat doesn't refer to whether it's at an angle or not, it refers to the lack of bends.

I'd much rather sleep on a flat bed that's slightly tilted (like AA's first "next generation" seats on 763s about a dozen years ago), than on a bed with a painful bulge in it (fortunately on a westbound daytime flight where I didn't need to sleep) that's exactly horizontal.

SFOPeter

Looks like the UA premium transcon F seat from a few years ago

eponymous_coward

Or the standard issue "I'm a slanty flatseat" on some other airlines like OZ and TG:




Or LH's old business class:



Not ideal for sleeping but OK during a day flight

sdsearch

Well, "not ideal for sleeping" is still a lot better than "pretty useless for sleeping", like Alaska's typical F seat, no?

And there's a lot of things between the two, like the recliner seats in J on Iceland Air (another Alaska partner).

Visconti

New to AS (from VX) and wanted to make sure I'm reading this correctly from the Partner rewards.

As MVP Gold, RT from SFO - CDG (via SEA/PDX) would earn the following:

1. 11,356 Miles flown (LH will leg will not count, I assume).
2. 11,356 from the 100% MVP Gold bonus.
3. 11,356 from 100% Cabin bonus.
4. 11,356 from 100% additional bonus.

Total earned: 45,424
Elite miles earned: 22,712

Is that right?

LGA

Not great...? I have yet to see one AF/KL seat show up on miscellaneous award searches over the course of months (or even years...?).

MeanwhileBackAtFAI

Best to post from where to where via what you are going. Not clear which leg is on LH, not clear whether you are going SFO-SEA-CDG-PDX-SFO or what. Assuming DE goes to FRA and you have to pay for a FRA-CDG leg in there somwhere maybe?

Having said all that, personally I'd never fly DE for a route (or close to) that I can do on BA. BA's business class is above and beyond that of DE and the additional 50% booking class bonus for DE don't make up for the ...... seating for the money for me. YMMV

If you go SFO-LHR-CDG on BA you'll end up with transatlantic booked as I and Euro booked as J

SFO-LHR RT I 37,570
LHR-CDG RT J 4,500

Total 42,070

If you want to save money and don't mind spending extra time you go SFO-LHR-DUB on a BA ticket and then DUB-CDG on KLM

SFO-LHR-DUB RT will also be split between I and J and yield the same 42,070 miles, plus the DUB-CDG RT on KLM I for 2,250 miles, which gets you closer to the same 45k miles you listed for DE.

notquiteaff

Given that Condor flies PDX/SEA-FRA, I would assume

SFO-SEA/PDX on AS
SEA/PDX-FRA on DE
FRA-CDG on LH

Visconti's interpretation of the math rules for RDM and EQM looks right to me.

How do the fares compare between your preferred BA routing and the one on DE via FRA?

MeanwhileBackAtFAI

Really depends on the dates but just ballparking it more than 21 days out it looks to be about 10% more expensive to go SFO-LHR-DUB on BA and then DUB-CDG as second ticket on AF in I. Going on AF in Economy lowers the cost difference to ~5%. Though of course there is opportunity cost of screwing around with two different tickets. Timing allows for short layover in DUB.

OTOH Dublin may be worth a night's stay to check out the Guinness brewery and Jameson distillery, do a Howth Cliff walk, or head down to the beach at Greystones.

OP could consider to just book SFO-SEA/PDX-FRA via DE and then get a second ticket for FRA-CDG on AF for more AS miles.

lax.sea.jnu

Just booked a flight that earns 100% miles on DE (SFO-PDX-FRA) 14 days out for $600.
~$3200 for a 100% EQM fare on BA/AF on the same day.

dc333

Redemption is live this morning, I see results when searching sea-fra but no charts yet either on the dynamic award chart page or the Condor specific partner page.

Add:
I see 25k, 30k, and 40k economy (tiered like FI?); 45K premium economy; 55k business class

quemalo

What were the fees?

dc333

$19 - no fuel surcharge

quemalo

That's good to hear. I was worried it would be like FI or BA with the huge fuel charges. I have to fly to FRA/TXL once or twice a year, so the non-stop flight to FRA will be a nice change from either BA to TXL via LHR or AA to FRA via DFW.

eponymous_coward

It would seem so. There seems to be decent availability.

Given that AA/AF/KL J is like finding a needle in a haystack (and none of them are nonstop once you go TATL), EK J is way overpriced in miles, FI J is really domestic F + $$ in YQ, and BA J is $$$$$$ in YQ, I'm likely to redeem for DE J for Europe. I've flew LH J nonstop out of FRA back in 2012 when they had slanty seats. This doesn't really seem any worse...