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Originally Posted by jackal
Actually, change that from "nearly all" to "all." I couldn't find a single non-400 when searching last week for a multitude of dates for summer travel! I wonder if they're just doing that as a failsafe because they don't have it worked out exactly what aircraft they're going to be deploying, and it's easier to upgauge than downgauge. Just a thought.
Was just playing it safe (I think there may be a 73Q on there )
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Originally Posted by jackal
Don't forget that the increased ANC-Hawaii service does require more ETOPS aircraft to be positioned in ANC, so there is at least some need for ETOPS aircraft to be assigned to routes going to ANC.
Also, I've checked flightstats.com maps on ETOPS aircraft versus non-ETOPS aircraft, and in the (albeit relatively small) sample size I have, the ETOPS ones definitely do pursue a slightly more direct, offshore route than the non-ETOPS ones.
ANC-Hawaii decreases in the summer to 2 or 3x week to HNL and OGG appears to become seasonal...
And yes, ETOPS does seem to follow the Great Circle ANC-SEA/PDX...
Don't forget that the increased ANC-Hawaii service does require more ETOPS aircraft to be positioned in ANC, so there is at least some need for ETOPS aircraft to be assigned to routes going to ANC.
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Most times when Im going from ANC-FAI or to SEA and am on an 800 it tends to be ETOPS. Why? I have no idea. I believe the one A/C goes from HNL-ANC-FAI-ANC-FAI-ANC-SEA but I aint sure
It's just how the aircraft are worked through the system. I've flown on the ETOPS planes to PHX and TUS, as well as SAN and LAX. I noticed on the -800 I was on last week, that there was the panel for the raft in the front. It was a non ETOPS plane, and the FA didn't mention the raft in the roof during the demo.
I wonder if AS is eventually going to make their whole -800 fleet ETOPS.
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Correct... the 73H have IMHO the best F seats...
I'm partial to the -900, myself. My biggest pet peeve with the -800 F seats is that tray table doesn't go all the way across: if you type on a laptop, the table bounces all over the place. If you try and saw through the steak with that pathetic knife, you make can waves in your wine glass. The -700s aren't too bad either.
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Originally Posted by tusphotog
It's just how the aircraft are worked through the system. I've flown on the ETOPS planes to PHX and TUS, as well as SAN and LAX. I noticed on the -800 I was on last week, that there was the panel for the raft in the front. It was a non ETOPS plane, and the FA didn't mention the raft in the roof during the demo.
I wonder if AS is eventually going to make their whole -800 fleet ETOPS.
IIRC all 737 NG aircraft are delivered with the raft compartments regardless if they are outfitted for ETOPS or not.
I'm partial to the -900, myself.[/quote] Me too. Flew the first ship delivered from SEA to LAX on it's third or fourth revenue flight. The mid-cabin lavs are such a great idea. I wish more AC had them!
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IIRC all 737 NG aircraft are delivered with the raft compartments regardless if they are outfitted for ETOPS or not.
That's not been my experience. In fact, the absence of the raft compartments is what tells me (if I've forgotten to look for the lei'd tail) on-board that I'm not on an ETOPS jet.
Whether there are some non-ETOPS craft that have a raft compartment is not something I can speak to, but there are definitely NGs that don't have raft compartments. (The last -400 I was on was May 20, 2008, PDX-ANC, but I've seen non-rafted aircraft many times since then.)
You're worried because they've dropped from J16/Y141 to J12/Y132?
that's 13 seats out of 157. Me thinks you're making mountains out of mole hills.
My point was that these flights have historically been -800s and -900s and been very full in winter. They ran the same equipment this last summer (when they used to go to -400s and MD80s) and almost every flight I was on had just a few center seats open or none at all with a long standby list.
The upgrade probabilities are going to be lower, and the increased density might also have a negative impact on my ability to get a reasonably priced ticket 14-21 days out (when i usually travel). Not trying to make a mountain out of this, just trying to understand the logic.
Shifting A/C to longer routes makes logical sense, esp where they need the equipment for range purposes or b/c of a limited #of slots available for flights.
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That's not been my experience. In fact, the absence of the raft compartments is what tells me (if I've forgotten to look for the lei'd tail) on-board that I'm not on an ETOPS jet.
Whether there are some non-ETOPS craft that have a raft compartment is not something I can speak to, but there are definitely NGs that don't have raft compartments. (The last -400 I was on was May 20, 2008, PDX-ANC, but I've seen non-rafted aircraft many times since then.)
OK perhaps you're right. Maybe I'm so used to seeing the raft compartments on COs fleet that I just believe it to be there on AS aircraft when it is not.
That's not been my experience. In fact, the absence of the raft compartments is what tells me (if I've forgotten to look for the lei'd tail) on-board that I'm not on an ETOPS jet.
The raft compartments are not on the -700 or -900. I think pretty much every -800 I've flown has had the center aisle storage compartments. I know, for example that 514 and 569 (non-ETOPS) had them. I remember AS put rafts on the aircraft going to CUN even before they applied for ETOPS certification. IIRC, 19 out of 51 -800s in the AS fleet are ETOPS.
I also remember looking at one of those center aisle storage units on an -800 before, and noticed that it said "wheelchair." So it would appear they are not all used for rafts.
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Originally Posted by tusphotog
I noticed on the -800 I was on last week, that there was the panel for the raft in the front. It was a non ETOPS plane, and the FA didn't mention the raft in the roof during the demo.
They should also throw in a reminder that for safety and security, to only use the raft in your ticketed cabin. It drives me crazy after a water landing when the Y pax try to use the F raft.
They should also throw in a reminder that for safety and security, to only use the raft in your ticketed cabin. It drives me crazy after a water landing when the Y pax try to use the F raft.
Does the F raft come stocked with free booze and a snack basket where you can take only two items?
Me too. Flew the first ship delivered from SEA to LAX on it's third or fourth revenue flight. The mid-cabin lavs are such a great idea. I wish more AC had them!
mid cabin lavs are a great idea and greatly diminish the parade through F. However I dont like the trays going all the way across hitting the armrest. They dont lay flat half the time and buckle
(I think there may be a 73Q on there 
