You may want to re-word your response a little. While people will have varying opinions on these issues you should not name call. A better argument would be to simply ask the individual the question is this simply a matter of security or does racial profiling play a role.
I don't think dgwright99 was namecalling at all, just pointing out that there are countries that do restrict freedom of speech. That being said, I think Venezuela has a lot more freedoms than they are given credit for.
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they should have put them on a plane back to Iraq or whatever Muslim looking country they wanted to go to. There they can talk and participate in whatever religious retreat that they choose. After all America is the Anti Christ or Satan himself why would they want to be in this horrible country where they have to suffer such things. There is far more freedom in the countries where their ancestors are from. They must be slaves brought here by the evil white man. Please go home and complain and you flag waivers, put them away.
There are so many things wrong with this comment I am not sure where to begin
1) They wanted to go to Florida for vacation
2) They are US citizens so which "home" are you talking about
This comment is lacking in both logic and knowledge.
Airtran offered to pay for the US air tickets and I think that offer was accepted
As I understand it, Airtran finally offered to pay for the US Air tickets the folks had to buy going down to Florida, and to fly them back to DCA for "free." I don't think they have US Airways tickets back.
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they should have put them on a plane back to Iraq or whatever Muslim looking country they wanted to go to. There they can talk and participate in whatever religious retreat that they choose. After all America is the Anti Christ or Satan himself why would they want to be in this horrible country where they have to suffer such things. There is far more freedom in the countries where their ancestors are from. They must be slaves brought here by the evil white man. Please go home and complain and you flag waivers, put them away.
Wow, your comments are completely ignorant. I sure hope you were joking.
Zero tolerance policies do not work, whether it is airline regualtions, TSA practices, or how passengers view each other. AirTran completely overacted, but once things are in motion, it is hard to stop them.
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I don't think dgwright99 was namecalling at all, just pointing out that there are countries that do restrict freedom of speech. That being said, I think Venezuela has a lot more freedoms than they are given credit for.
Your point is taken but saying that one "should go back to grade school" could lead the conversation down an ugly path. As it is right now, the conversation is very interesting and important.
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You may want to re-word your response a little. While people will have varying opinions on these issues you should not name call. A better argument would be to simply ask the individual the question is this simply a matter of security or does racial profiling play a role.
There was no name-calling involed. You are missing my point entirely, and racial profiling doesn't come into it. The person I was quoting was suggesting that in the United States of America you have to watch you say in public.
That is contrary to the freedoms and protections provided for under the Consitution/Bill of Rights, which is taught to every 5th grader. Thus, if the poster lives in the USA and not in some country that lacks the basic freedoms that we hold to be self-evident, then they obviously need to re-learn the lessons from grade school that they appear to have forgotten.
Frankly, I'm appalled that such comments can be made without widespread outrage.
"At the end of the day, people got on and made comments they shouldn't have made on the airplane, and other people heard them," AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson explained.
Either AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson identifies the "comments they shouldn't have made" or the incident festers.
This is both piss-poor PR and damage control and exposes AirTran to a damage judgment. He could have sourced the fed's report for the offending comment, if it was part of the record. I get the feeling he was winging it.
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There was no name-calling involed. You are missing my point entirely, and racial profiling doesn't come into it. The person I was quoting was suggesting that in the United States of America you have to watch you say in public.
That is contrary to the freedoms and protections provided for under the Consitution/Bill of Rights, which is taught to every 5th grader. Thus, if the poster lives in the USA and not in some country that lacks the basic freedoms that we hold to be self-evident, then they obviously need to re-learn the lessons from grade school that they appear to have forgotten.
Frankly, I'm appalled that such comments can be made without widespread outrage.
I am sorry if I missed your point. My point was more focused on the "grade school" part of your comment. I was worried that it might snowball into something that would take us off the bigger issues that this situation calls to attention.
Not in a free country you don't. I think that maybe you need to go back to grade school, and retake those basic civics classes. Or maybe you live in Venezuela, Zimbababwe or North Korea ?
OK genius. Are you allowed to yell fire in a theater? Are newscasters allowed to say the F word on TV?
I'd hate to believe someone could bring the air transportation system to its knees by having people start talking vaguely about air disasters on 500 different flights all across the country all on the same morning.
Nobody hurt and nothing illegal. Not even sure it would be considered terrorism.
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Either AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson identifies the "comments they shouldn't have made" or the incident festers.
This is both piss-poor PR and damage control and exposes AirTran to a damage judgment. He could have sourced the fed's report for the offending comment, if it was part of the record. I get the feeling he was winging it.
I agree with you. It is very dangerous that one passenger can rat out another, and the whole thing is not disclosed. We can't keep seeing these incidents happen. Every time I get on a flight, I hope and pray the everyone is tolerant of each other, and that no one flips out. All it takes is one nut job, and everyone is getting deplaned, and having their schedules thrown off.
And let us not forget that US Airways had their own case recently of deplaning six men for how they look. That case went to court, and now here they are saving the day.
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I agree with you. It is very dangerous that one passenger can rat out another, and the whole thing is not disclosed. We can't keep seeing these incidents happen. Every time I get on a flight, I hope and pray the everyone is tolerant of each other, and that no one flips out. All it takes is one nut job, and everyone is getting deplaned, and having their schedules thrown off.
And let us not forget that US Airways had their own case recently of deplaning six men for how they look. That case went to court, and now here they are saving the day.
I agree. We need better policies. Any suggestions?
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OK genius. Are you allowed to yell fire in a theater?
Discussing some aspect of airport security theater is in no way comparable to yelling fire in a theater, and to suggest that it would be might be considered by many to be rather insulting to the founding fathers. A more reasonable simile might be dicussion of visible spinkler heads in the ceiling of a theater.
There was no name-calling involed. You are missing my point entirely, and racial profiling doesn't come into it. The person I was quoting was suggesting that in the United States of America you have to watch you say in public.
That is contrary to the freedoms and protections provided for under the Consitution/Bill of Rights, which is taught to every 5th grader. Thus, if the poster lives in the USA and not in some country that lacks the basic freedoms that we hold to be self-evident, then they obviously need to re-learn the lessons from grade school that they appear to have forgotten.
Frankly, I'm appalled that such comments can be made without widespread outrage.
dgwright99,
You may want to be the one that goes back to school on this subject. You have either forgotten and didn't know that there are limitations on free speech. In 5th grade we were taught that you can't go into a movie theater and yell "FIRE". I would equate that with you can't go into an airport and say certain things and expect to get away with it. I was also taught that there can be consequences for what you say. Also, free speech doesn't even apply in the private secture, but only public areas. This forum is a perfect example. The mod's can edit, delete, and even ban users from this site for any reason. The same goes for Airtran. They are a private business and thus can ban a person from flying for whatever reason they want, minus a few exceptions under the law. Look at Southwest kicking off the woman that was not dressed in acceptible attire. Also, when southwest kicked off the family that couldn't control their kids. Know if you want to argue that the airline broke the law based on discrimination, that's different. I still don't think that argument works eithier though because the airline would use what the passonager said as a reason to deny service. Too many people are misinformed on free speech and the constitution. You can say anything you want in PUBLIC but the Constitution DOESN"T GRANT YOU IMMUNITY EITHER. You can and will be held responsible for what you say.
