I think CO was talking about this, but need (more?) 772-LR's or something like this - you can search the CO forum for the details - I'm sure it's there...
How did you fly into DEL, btw? Were you in Y or C?
Let us know!
Well it was actually called Economy (Q) class. The food was crappy, but thats usualy with American food. However, I found it to be a fast flight.
I know Air India is soon going to offer JFK-DEL in a week or two., and its rumored that Kingfisher will so the same towards the end of the year. But their really needs to be nonstop service between either JFK-MAA or
EWR-MAA.
CO is waiting to get 787s before they operate to MAA
That is late 2009, at the earliest
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I think CO was talking about this, but need (more?) 772-LR's or something like this - you can search the CO forum for the details - I'm sure it's there...
How did you fly into DEL, btw? Were you in Y or C?
Good joke. They will get the 787 about the time the 380s will be delivered
I wouldn't bet on anything other than BOM/DEL getting any AI or foreign carrier ULH service. 9W is building their BRU hub concept and IT will go for publicity stunts. The established carriers will continue to fly via the hubs they know and love.
DL used to fly to MAA, I guess poor demand led to its axing.
DL used to fly 767s ATL-CDG and then CDG-MAA. They simply decided to codeshare with AF on the CDG-MAA run after AF set up ops there. And AF is doing just fine with its MAA flights - they manage to pack a two class 343 on the 5x a week that they operate it.
[quote=oliver2002;9193806]Good joke. They will get the 787 about the time the 380s will be delivered
I wouldn't bet on anything other than BOM/DEL getting any AI or foreign carrier ULH service. 9W is building their BRU hub concept and IT will go for publicity stunts. The established carriers will continue to fly via the hubs they know and love.[/QUOCO
CO does not have any European hubs, and CO already has EWR-DEl nonstop service and EWR-BOM nonstop is expected at the end of the year.
The goal is to eventually have nonstop EWR-MAA and with CO acquiring 787, it can be done.
I wouldn't bet on anything other than BOM/DEL getting any AI or foreign carrier ULH service. 9W is building their BRU hub concept and IT will go for publicity stunts. The established carriers will continue to fly via the hubs they know and love.
The real driver is going to be the infrastructure constraint at the pushed-to-the-limits BOM and DEL airports which will allow the new BLR and HYD airports take over a lot of the (significant) non-O&D traffic out of BOM and DEL.
New economic models enabled by aircraft like the 787 and the entry of Indian airlines into airline alliances will create new hubs at (the very least) BLR and HYD.
By the time 787s appear on the scene (lets say 2010-2012) BOM/DEL will have sorted out their biggest capacity constraints with the infrastructure projects they currently have in the pipeline. We shall see. My bet is that CO/DL etc are dying to get more Transpac marketshare and give a fight to NW/UA who have cornered this profitable market. But then in 2010 who knows what CO, DL, NW have merged into
The Indian market is growing, but profitable fares are hard to find. LH makes a packet there, but only because they are running the flights with the biggest airframes they can find. Their concept is to fill the India and TATL routes with Y tix to cover their costs and offer regular reliable service to C pax at a premium to earn their profit with. And since they (like BA, KL/NW and AF) fly to 18 US destinations and 6 Indian destinations, pax have much better choices than flying from one US hub to 2-3 Indian destinations on a ULH.
Don't get me wrong: I would love to fly on a NW 787 from DTW to CCU for 1000$ to visit my mother for a few days or vice versa, but I'm not counting on it in the next 5-10 years.
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I have rarely seen LH's Y fares to India to be the lowest.
Remember, Oliver2002 said: "Their concept is to fill the India and TATL routes with Y tix to cover their costs" - yes, and they *cover* the costs very well, in *both* directions, and probably also turn a profit on Y!!
(We are going to pay more than $2.5k per LH*Y* ticket for our summer vacation BOM-EWR-BOM...even when booking this now, so far ahead!)
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Both TG and SQ operate 345 ULH but the cost of fuel to carry fuel for the long stretch is horrendous. So don't expect any freebies on the IT ULH services unless they are ready to gift money (wait: they probably are...)
IT's first ULH will be linking Indias & US's 'silicon valleys' which will basically guarentee a revenue flight. It may not be a fares issue, more availability.
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No problem with me - I *love* the SQ flights - too bad they are converting them into all biz-class!
18 hours is only a problem due to lack of connectivity - but you *do* have a satphone connection in the AVOD control...which comes at a price!
It's alright for some, but really you need a bed on distances like that. If you (as a Y customer looking at your post) want a comfortable trrip to the US, the A380s coming.
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Will the flight operate via the Pacific or via europe/atlantic to the east cost?
I'd imagine it'd be very polar. However, looking at a globe it seems that a slightly more pacific route will be needed for the west coast, atlantic for west. The winds make it more viable to fly east but polar when against the winds. eg. New York-Bangalore non-polar - fly over Europe. Return across the pole. Bangalore-San Francisco. Fly across Alaska, returning slightly more polar. Either way, to the west coast there's not much in it.
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By the time 787s appear on the scene (lets say 2010-2012) BOM/DEL will have sorted out their biggest capacity constraints with the infrastructure projects they currently have in the pipeline. We shall see. My bet is that CO/DL etc are dying to get more Transpac marketshare and give a fight to NW/UA who have cornered this profitable market. But then in 2010 who knows what CO, DL, NW have merged into
The Indian market is growing, but profitable fares are hard to find. LH makes a packet there, but only because they are running the flights with the biggest airframes they can find. Their concept is to fill the India and TATL routes with Y tix to cover their costs and offer regular reliable service to C pax at a premium to earn their profit with. And since they (like BA, KL/NW and AF) fly to 18 US destinations and 6 Indian destinations, pax have much better choices than flying from one US hub to 2-3 Indian destinations on a ULH.
Don't get me wrong: I would love to fly on a NW 787 from DTW to CCU for 1000$ to visit my mother for a few days or vice versa, but I'm not counting on it in the next 5-10 years.
I agree. Unless a carrier can get a large enough B787 sized fleet (NW?) it'll be hard to get many direct flights. Even then, American culture will ensure that all the flights are routed through major hubs which will see New York become a mecca for flights from India. I do hope Northwest does something out of Detroit with it's B787s, not just the Far East.
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I have rarely seen LH's Y fares to India to be the lowest.
Checkout Lufthansa's microsite http://www.weflyhome.com. I see promotional fares under $1000 for a few Indian cities from US. These are targeted at leisure travelers and have restrictions (advance purchase, Sat night stay, etc.) but are good deals for price conscious travelers.
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Don't get me wrong: I would love to fly on a NW 787 from DTW to CCU for 1000$ to visit my mother for a few days or vice versa, but I'm not counting on it in the next 5-10 years.
Air India is offering promotional fares on its non-stops during non-peak times in the range of $1000.
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