Originally Posted by NZbutterfly

That excerpt was from a page referring specifically to connecting flights and journeys with more than one airline.

I'm reading that as the instructions for if you have an itinerary that includes 2 star alliance carriers rather than as a requirement to have 2 *A carriers. To me this page doesn't address single airline tickets so it doesn't appear to exclude the extra bag for *G benefits for single airline situation.

Originally Posted by Xiaotung

No, its from their check in baggage page under the "Number of bags included in our fares" heading. It says nothing about connecting flights.

Originally Posted by NZbutterfly

Apologies I read the immediate heading under checked in baggage referring to fares, connecting flights etc and found the excerpt under number of bags.

Are you interpreting the part where it says where the ticketed itinerary has two or more Star Alliance airlines,..... as excluding single airline tickets??

Because I read "where" as being IF your ticket includes two or more carriers rather than ONLY IF you have 2 or more carriers.

There must be someone with *G (non NZ) that's flown even TT or Pacific Islands with NZ on a seat + bag or more fare and been allowed to take an extra bag. I'd think we would have had many complaints on this forum if that were the case. I mainly recall enquiries around the free bag with regards to the seat only fare.

Originally Posted by 31570324

What's when I book a seat only fare and later book extra luggage at the airport. Will then another star alliance baggage be allowed or still not?

Originally Posted by sbiddle

I don't expect this to be the case. It costs $10 to add a bag to a fare which can be done online or via the app until you check in.

If you turn up at the airport with bags and have no baggage allowance you'll pay the excess baggage fee as you have no allowance on your fare. This starts at $60 for the first bag.

Originally Posted by NZbutterfly

If he/she pays the extra $10 to upgrade to seat + bag fare prior to check-in then they should be entitled to the extra *G bag though?

Different from just rocking up with seat only fare checking in and then trying to check in a bag?

31570324 I have to admit I try and save $10 here and there as it adds up over a period of time but if you have 1 or 2 bags to check through it's better to pay the $10 or so to upgrade to the seat + bag fare, then you should receive an additional 2nd bag allowance if you need it for *G ie 2 bags for the cost of $10 NZD. Don't get to the airport to check in and then try and add it.

Originally Posted by 31570324

Is a fare upgrade possible? I can just say it for Lufthansa, if you book a seat only fare (light), you can't upgrade to a seat+bag (classic) fare. You can only add a bad online or at the airport, but the original fare still remains without bag. But I don't know if it will give me a second bag free if I buy a first one.

Originally Posted by sbiddle

... UA are the only carrier I'm aware of who effectively give a free bag for *G when it's not included in the ticket.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer

I think both NZ and *A websites are clear. The "doubt" only arises because people remember the old *G benefit wording and assume it still applies. A quick check of either website shows the benefit no longer applies on seat only fares.

Originally Posted by intuition

SK does too.


Can you post a link to where the *A rules clearly says that? I'm sure it is there somewhere, but all I could find on staralliance.com was This is under "Benefits" / "Details". So no mention that seat only fares are generally excluded from the *A perk.

Originally Posted by sbiddle

I read that and actually don't see any confusion.

It very clearly says "You can take an extra 20 kg (44 pounds) where the weight concept applies or an extra piece where the piece concept applies.".

In the case of an Air NZ seat only fare no weight or piece concept applies because you don't have a baggage allowance, therefore you have no ability to take an extra piece.

Originally Posted by sbiddle

I read that and actually don't see any confusion.

It very clearly says "You can take an extra 20 kg (44 pounds) where the weight concept applies or an extra piece where the piece concept applies.".

In the case of an Air NZ seat only fare no weight or piece concept applies because you don't have a baggage allowance, therefore you have no ability to take an extra piece.

Originally Posted by sbiddle

When S2S was introduced they did go against the *G rules by not allowing a free bag. Back then *G rules did say it gave you a free bag however this has not been the case for some time. *G now gives an extra bag when one is included. UA are the only carrier I'm aware of who effectively give a free bag for *G when it's not included in the ticket.

As for NZ not allowing a 4th bag when flying in BP this is because they give you 3 bags in BP and impose a limit of 3 bags per person unless luggage is unaccompanied. A quick look around a few other *A carriers shows they've only got business class limits of 2 bags so I don't really see how it being too different. LH 1st is the only exception I can see to this rule where they will give you an extra bag to make it up to 4 but their business only gets 2 bags + 1 extra got *G.

Originally Posted by AlwaysFlyStar

I mean, this is a silly argument and totally wrong to claim not too different to other carriers. Other than NZ, almost every airline which uses piece concept gives 32 kg for business class passengers. NZ may allow 3 bags, but at 23 kg. Therefore, a *G flying NZ in business can take 69 kg. A normal member flying business on most other carriers can take 64 kg. And a *G member flying business on most other carriers can take 96 kg. Therefore, to claim it is not that different just is not accurate.