New SP earn rates
Mar 27, 2014, 7:31 pm
#46
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: SYD
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Out of curiosity, where are you seeing all these new earning rates? Is this in your 'my bookings' screen, or are you seeing them when you go into the booking engine to book new flights?
Which brings me to my real question: how can you tell before booking what you are going to earn? Or do you just have to guess based on their 'range'?
Which brings me to my real question: how can you tell before booking what you are going to earn? Or do you just have to guess based on their 'range'?
Mar 27, 2014, 7:42 pm
#47
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: SYD
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Out of curiosity, where are you seeing all these new earning rates? Is this in your 'my bookings' screen, or are you seeing them when you go into the booking engine to book new flights?
Which brings me to my real question: how can you tell before booking what you are going to earn? Or do you just have to guess based on their 'range'?
Which brings me to my real question: how can you tell before booking what you are going to earn? Or do you just have to guess based on their 'range'?
As to your real question - that is very much what I would like to know, but NZ has not told us yet, despite this regime starting next week. At the moment it is purely a guess.
Mar 27, 2014, 8:30 pm
#49
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Location: Wellington
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I have noticed this before too. It's a bit sneaky to charge multiple seats all at the higher prices, rather than some (to the amount left available) at the lowest available price and the remainder at the higher price.
In my case, I have booked them separately and then rung up to get seats together.
This is not an NZ issue, it is common across many booking sites, so I do not know if is industry standard. When it comes to multi-passenger bookings I do look at the available fare buckets to see if I should make separate bookings.
I have noticed this before too. It's a bit sneaky to charge multiple seats all at the higher prices, rather than some (to the amount left available) at the lowest available price and the remainder at the higher price.
In my case, I have booked them separately and then rung up to get seats together.
Mar 27, 2014, 11:38 pm
#50
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Join Date: Apr 2013
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This is the fundamental problem when every booking category (discount economy, flexi economy, PE and BP) is broken further down into individual booking classes. Why should somebody who books a last minute BP ticket get a better earn rate than somebody who booked 3 months out? This doesn't encourage loyalty, especially when the end user has no way to book a specific class on the website.
Mar 27, 2014, 11:40 pm
#51
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Join Date: Apr 2013
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They did launch the functionality to show SP earn while booking in early January, however this displayed incorrect information (the current "old" SP earn rate, even for flights after the 31st March) for an entire month before it was pulled. I queried these rates twice and was told there was no issue!
Mar 28, 2014, 6:49 am
#52
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: bne
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is 7 SP a bug or correct for a TT grab a seat?
Mar 28, 2014, 1:52 pm
#53
Join Date: Dec 2013
Programs: NZ Airpoints GE, Qantas Platinum, Accor Diamond, Hilton Diamond
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This is a bit of a cynical move by Air NZ. FFP's are used to generate loyalty. Presumably that job has been done and NZ wants to toss aside a number of its loyal passengers because they are loyal but not delivering enough revenue.
If they have too many Elites, then this is their problem of having a monopoly operation (and making it more monopolistic with its airline alliances) and not ours.
If they have too many Elites, then this is their problem of having a monopoly operation (and making it more monopolistic with its airline alliances) and not ours.
Mar 28, 2014, 5:23 pm
#55
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 646
The ones left over after the new SP rates (and the banked years run out for existing ones).
...would be the ONE.
Mar 28, 2014, 8:08 pm
#56
Moderator, Hilton Honors
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Yeah it makes real sense to have the route with higher fare paid and competition earn less than the route with lower fare paid and no competition
Mar 28, 2014, 8:09 pm
#57
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Mar 28, 2014, 9:00 pm
#58
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I think you may have missed my sarcasm, even with the rolleyes emoticon
Mar 29, 2014, 12:22 am
#60
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: AKL
Posts: 15
Airpoints Roulette
The My Bookings page also shows the "Potential earnings" as APD10; but the advanced search on airnzpoints.co.nz (with both the product and booking class specified) shows the "Potential Airpoints Dollars" earnings as APD14. It gets much better though, dropping the [optional] booking class from the advanced search and just leaving the product selected shows the "Potential Airpoints Dollars" as being in the range APD17-23, which is different again!
Continuing the confusion, the My Bookings page says my "Potential earnings" are 38SP (a woeful 37% down on the old 60SP) and this actually agrees with the advanced search on airnzpoints.co.nz when both the product and class are entered. A simple search without the product or class shows the range to be 44-60SP though! To be fair (?) the information pop-up on the matching line says it "Includes the following booking classes: L,T,V,W" (so doesn't explicitly list S class) but it also gives the same text about 'including' L/T/V/W classes when both parameters are entered in the advanced search and I get the lower 38SP result!
Yikes.