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Old Apr 17, 2015, 10:59 am
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AF84 (CDG-SFO) A380 Business Seat

I'm getting conflicting information on what exactly the business class seat is on this plane. Is the seat a full lie-flat bed? I read a lot about NEV# and am not sure what that means, and it seems there are changes happening on the 777s, but this flight is no longer a 777, it's not the A380.

Seatguru says they're "angled lie-flats." AF.com says they're "beds."

How does the seat compare to the DL flights from CDG in business? I recently did DL88 (to SLC), on the 767, which seatguru refers to as flat bed.

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Old Apr 17, 2015, 11:38 am
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Depending on the frame, it is the 3rd or 4th version of the NEV seat on the A380. It's a lie-flat seat but very slightly angled (as opposed to fully horizontal for DL).
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Old Apr 17, 2015, 4:04 pm
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That helps. Thank you!
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Does this info still hold true today? Looking at choice between AF a380 ex-SFo or KLM 747 in business. Thoughts on better seat/overall choice?
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Old Jun 4, 2016, 3:08 pm
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Does this info still hold true today?
Those info are certainly still true today, as they are only 1.5 month old...
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Those info are certainly still true today, as they are only 1.5 month old...
Thanks....but I thought April 2015 was last year....
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Old Jun 4, 2016, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by 1k-all-the-way
Thanks....but I thought April 2015 was last year....
My mistake (I thought it was 2016). I apologize for that. But, yes those information on AF A380 are still valid today. AF has finally decided to retrofit the A380 fleet with the new BEST seats, but the process will not start before next year.
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Old Jun 8, 2016, 2:45 am
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KLM also has 787 on the line. Otherwise neither AF A380 nor the 777 flying on the route have BEST configuration.

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Originally Posted by Goldorak
My mistake (I thought it was 2016). I apologize for that. But, yes those information on AF A380 are still valid today. AF has finally decided to retrofit the A380 fleet with the new BEST seats, but the process will not start before next year.

Am I too optimistic hoping for the new BEST seats on the A380 by May 23? If they don't start until January, it be unlikely that they have too many refurbished by then.
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Old Jul 7, 2016, 12:36 am
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A380 have not been retrofitted and will not for a couple of years. So, the info is still actual. You can search many threads. I would never prefer NEV to a flat bed like on KL 747. And NEV3 is really bad.
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Otherwise neither AF A380 nor the 777 flying on the route have BEST configuration.
From July 30, AF080/085 (B777) will propose the BEST seats on some days.
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
From July 30, AF080/085 (B777) will propose the BEST seats on some days.
How many 777s could they have from CDG to SFO? Either they convert or they don't right? Sounds like two 777s, the AF80 and the AF85? Or is it the same plane which changes the flight number depending on which way they're flying?

And the rest of the time looks like AF83/AF84, which are the A380s?

I'm looking at an award for next May/June so would the 777s be fully upgraded by then?
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How many 777s could they have from CDG to SFO? Either they convert or they don't right? Sounds like two 777s, the AF80 and the AF85? Or is it the same plane which changes the flight number depending on which way they're flying?

And the rest of the time looks like AF83/AF84, which are the A380s?

I'm looking at an award for next May/June so would the 777s be fully upgraded by then?
A specific plane is not assigned to one route. It is a type (e.g. B772, B77W, A343, etc) and a configuration (F or no F, x number of J, etc) which is usually assigned to a route.
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Old Jul 11, 2016, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by wco81
How many 777s could they have from CDG to SFO? Either they convert or they don't right? Sounds like two 777s, the AF80 and the AF85? Or is it the same plane which changes the flight number depending on which way they're flying?

And the rest of the time looks like AF83/AF84, which are the A380s?

I'm looking at an award for next May/June so would the 777s be fully upgraded by then?
AF 80/85 are the inward and outward flight number. On the same day, the arriving and departing ac from SFO have to be the same.

But that 777 could be a 772 or a 77W (with or without F). And AF has decided not to retrofit its 77W without F. So only 18 77W with F will have BEST (they are probably all retrofitted by now or will shortly). All the other 77Ws will keep NEV4. All 772 will have BEST (and no F), but that retrofitting process is still going on.
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Did they give a time frame for when the retrofitting would be complete?
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