bodory

282 (CityValue) vs 330 (Air France Classic) EUR for the cheapest return ticket the same day I can find fitting my schedule on 9th of April.

bodory

Fare base is 112 vs 157 EUR. Taxes are the same : 169,89 EUR. AF adds 3 EUR service fee.

Henry III

So, assuming WX 'sell' seats on their flights to AFKL for rather less than they do to mere mortals like us, then AFKL is making around €50 per segment on their codeshare - for doing very little work. Small wonder, then, that they would continue the arrangement after the sale!!

Further, if WX fills a few extra seats because of feeder traffic from AFKL, then both sides should be very happy.

-- Henry

bodory

If I take the ORY-LCY route, is that free-flow or block-seat code-share agreement?

There are also more things to take into consideration such as ground operations in ORY taken care by AF on behalf of WX.

Typical AF tickets buyers could be :
- connecting pax like NCE-ORY-LCY
- people running after FB qualifying segments / miles
- corporate contracts with AF
- Abonnés pax

orbitmic

Absolutely, ie in AF's view all categories that it is legitimate to thoroughly 'milk', hence the high fares...

FrankC6

That is indeed the case for other routes (ANR - LCY and RTM - LCY) as well. It wasn't possible to book these flights on AF and KLM websites for a few weeks. Now they have returned, but prices have increased.

Also, I have noticed when looking to book a flight in June that the CitySaver fare class seems to have disappeared altogether. The cheapest option is now the CityValue fare. Admittedly, the CityValue fare in this scenario is lower than it used to be when CitySaver was offered but I am nonetheless annoyed by all of the unannounced changes made by Cityjet which have, quite frankly, made booking my flights with them a lot harder than it used to be. Luckily, Eurostar offers a very good and much cheaper Belgium to London alternative!

I will miss my regular Fokker 50 flights though.

DrLudwig

And it seems KL does not offer the one way at competitive prices anymore either.

Kgmm77

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Email today confirming/reminding that from March 30th flights booked under the WX codes won't earn FB miles, but those under AF/KL still do.

I've also noticed consistent higher prices under the AF code on LCY-DUB than WX. If WX found some way to offer fast-track in DUB I'd drop FB like a hot snot.

Henry III

Interesting that the email has this line near the end:(Of course, at Cityjet.com, you get the non-earning WX flight codes.)

-- Henry

irishguy28

The non-earning WX flights are, indeed, the best fares.

Kgmm77

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Unsurprisingly the demerger is already throwing up lots of oddities.

Online checkin only available through WX website even when booked on the AF code. Consequently no status showing on WX boarding pass (as you would expect given they haven't launched their FFP yet). So no Sky Priority benefits.

No AF coded availability DUB-LCY single, but reappears when a return sector added.

Consequently it's simpler and cheaper booking direct with WX. Kudos to WX getting their Passbook/wallet boarding passes live already. Their website needs a bit of work though and no Amex payment functionality.

Calchas

So I hear BA intends to increase its activity at LCY this year with at least three additional aircraft on the way

brunos

These might no be "oddities" but expected changes. While AF "buys" some codeshares on some WX routes, the agreement might be simply for codeshare without other FFP or other agreements.

On many "basic" codeshares, you need to checkin with the operating airline.

If WX is not a member/partner of ST, then they do not give you skypriority.

In typical codeshare "extensions" you cannot buy the extension itself under the non-metal airline. For example, you can buy an AF-coded ticket CTS (Sapporo)-NRT-CDG all on AF codes, but you cannot buy a CTS-NRT on AF. I would guess that LCY plays the role of WX hub, just like NRT/HND play that role on JL metal for AF codeshares. Similarly, JL pax can get a CDG-NCE on JL code only if they fly to CDG on a JL code. Clearly your example (return vs One way) is different

bodory

Check-in heas changed for my ORY-LCY flight tomorrow compared to pre 30th March (I am on a AF flight number) :
- impossible to get Passbook BP on AF mobile app
- impossible to check-in on WX website (no more app btw)
- impossible to get mobile BP (embedded in e-mail) on AF website

All I get is a good old pdf BP to be printed home where I have no printer.

bodory

So I just flew ORY-LCY and there was sort of a mess at boarding. Because the cockpit crew needed to balance the aircraft for take-off, they ask the (AF) boarding agent to change seat assignement for some pax. The so agent was unable to reach the flight manager because "apparemment les procédures ont changé pour ce vol depuis la semaine dernière" (boarding process seems to have changed last week). As a consequence, boarding was totally interrupted in its middle for several minutes, we lost our take-off slot and other nice surprises followed.

Maybe the gate agent was back from vacation and not aware of anything about WX not part of AF anymore. Still, none of her AF colleagues was able to inform her.

Also, AF BPs are now showing WX flight number in addition to AF flight number (if booked through AF).