AF and EY partnership from 28 October 2012
Jun 7, 2012, 4:39 am
#46
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold
Posts: 28,730
ArabianBusiness.com: Etihad denies chasing stake in Air France-KLM
Abu Dhabi flag carrier Etihad Airways has denied claims it is talks to buy a stake in Air France-KLM, Europe’s largest airline group, a spokesperson said.
...
Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf claimed on Wednesday the two carriers were on a course for a link up and quoted a KLM spokesperson as saying the talks were ongoing.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/etiha...lm-460984.html
...
Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf claimed on Wednesday the two carriers were on a course for a link up and quoted a KLM spokesperson as saying the talks were ongoing.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/etiha...lm-460984.html
Jun 12, 2012, 5:04 am
#48
Join Date: May 2010
Programs: Delta Silver, HH Gold, Accor Gold, IHG Platinum
Posts: 5,340
Peter Hartman confirmed during the IATA summit in Beijing that AFKLM is discussing an 'extensive joint venture' with Etihad Airways. There won't be a share of EY in AFKLM, says the CEO.
He also added: 'We should stop talking about the Gulf carriers being financed by their government or not, it isn't relevant any more.' and 'It is good to have enemies close by sometimes instead of friends.'
He also added: 'We should stop talking about the Gulf carriers being financed by their government or not, it isn't relevant any more.' and 'It is good to have enemies close by sometimes instead of friends.'
Originally Posted by Luchtvaartnieuws.nl
BEIJING - Air France - KLM voert besprekingen met Etihad Airways uit Abu Dbabi over een uitgebreide joint venture. Dit heeft topman Peter Hartman dinsdag bevestigd tegenover Luchtvaartnieuws.nl tijdens de IATA-top in Beijing. "Er zal geen sprake zijn van een participatie van Etihad in Air France-KLM”, benadrukt Hartman.
"Er bestaat een beeld dat wij een kapitaalinjectie hard nodig zouden hebben en dat is niet waar. Maar dat zou wel nodig zijn als wij onze bezuinigingsoperatie Transform niet zouden doorvoeren", zegt de KLM-topman.
Hij vervolgt: “Je wilt je vrienden dicht bij je hebben maar soms is het goed je vijanden nog dichter bij je te hebben. We werken op heel veel plekken op de wereld al samen met low cost carriers. En over de carriers uit de Golf moeten we ophouden of ze door de staat worden gesubsidieerd of niet; dat is niet meer relevant.”
Samenwerking met Golfcarriers is de volgende stap. Hartman: "Ik ben er persoonlijk van overtuigd dat als je samen iets kunt doen [met Etihad] je een grotere waarde kunt behalen. Dan moet je eerst beginnen een punt op de horizon te definiëren. Dat is een joint venture en daar praten we nu over."
Volgens Hartman heeft James Hogan, de topman van Etihad, ook geen keuze: "Hij wordt gemangeld tussen Emirates en Qatar Airways. Hij zoekt ook allianties."
"Er bestaat een beeld dat wij een kapitaalinjectie hard nodig zouden hebben en dat is niet waar. Maar dat zou wel nodig zijn als wij onze bezuinigingsoperatie Transform niet zouden doorvoeren", zegt de KLM-topman.
Hij vervolgt: “Je wilt je vrienden dicht bij je hebben maar soms is het goed je vijanden nog dichter bij je te hebben. We werken op heel veel plekken op de wereld al samen met low cost carriers. En over de carriers uit de Golf moeten we ophouden of ze door de staat worden gesubsidieerd of niet; dat is niet meer relevant.”
Samenwerking met Golfcarriers is de volgende stap. Hartman: "Ik ben er persoonlijk van overtuigd dat als je samen iets kunt doen [met Etihad] je een grotere waarde kunt behalen. Dan moet je eerst beginnen een punt op de horizon te definiëren. Dat is een joint venture en daar praten we nu over."
Volgens Hartman heeft James Hogan, de topman van Etihad, ook geen keuze: "Hij wordt gemangeld tussen Emirates en Qatar Airways. Hij zoekt ook allianties."
Jun 12, 2012, 6:36 am
#50
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold
Posts: 28,730
Meanwhile, IAG (BA and IB) continues to flirt with Qatar Airways - though the sale of Bankia's 12% holding in IAG may muddy the waters a bit. However, BA seems keen to forge links with Qatar, and who knows, Qatar may even become the first Gulf carrier to join an alliance - oneworld.
Qantas is also said to be desperate to partner with Emirates.
Qantas is also said to be desperate to partner with Emirates.
Jun 12, 2012, 6:57 am
#52
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold
Posts: 28,730
Qantas prepares for hostile takeover bids
Qantas wary of takeovers as Emirates eyes tie-up
Qantas profit to drop by up to 90%
Jun 12, 2012, 7:11 am
#53
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,528
Jun 13, 2012, 6:49 am
#54
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: PARIS (France)
Programs: AF/KLM Club 2000 | InterContinental Diamond RA |AMEX Plat | Visa Infinite |Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 10,961
Air France-KLM in talks with Etihad Airways
The Franco-Dutch airline Air France-KLM is having "serious" talks with the national airline of United Arab Emirates Etihad Airways to form a joint venture, said on Tuesday KLM.
"These are serious discussions to determine how best the two companies can work together. What is being discussed right now, it is a joint venture," said Joost Ruentol, a spokesman of the KLM airline, Dutch arm of Air France-KLM.
"An entry of Etihad into the capital of Air France-KLM, as was announced in the media lately, is not in the agenda," added Mr. Ruentol.
Air France-KLM had recently repeatedly stated its desire to form a commercial and non-capital alliance with Etihad Airways.
"If you can not beat them, you must join them," said the executive director of KLM, Peter Hartman, quoted Tuesday by the online Dutch financial daily Het Financieele Dagblad.
The Franco-Dutch airline is looking for a way to compete with Emirates and get the benefits enjoyed by the Arab airlines for the purchase of fuel, the newspaper said.
The Dutch tabloid De Telegraaf had said June 6 thatcEtihad Airways was interested in acquiring a stake in Air France-KLM and is discussing this with the Franco-Dutch company.
Etihad recently increased the number of acquisitions, taking its controlling interest in Air Berlin at nearly 30% and buying nearly 3% of Aer Lingus. It also increased to 4.99% the stake in Virgin Australia, to eventually own 10% of the company.
Source: Les Echos (in French)
"These are serious discussions to determine how best the two companies can work together. What is being discussed right now, it is a joint venture," said Joost Ruentol, a spokesman of the KLM airline, Dutch arm of Air France-KLM.
"An entry of Etihad into the capital of Air France-KLM, as was announced in the media lately, is not in the agenda," added Mr. Ruentol.
Air France-KLM had recently repeatedly stated its desire to form a commercial and non-capital alliance with Etihad Airways.
"If you can not beat them, you must join them," said the executive director of KLM, Peter Hartman, quoted Tuesday by the online Dutch financial daily Het Financieele Dagblad.
The Franco-Dutch airline is looking for a way to compete with Emirates and get the benefits enjoyed by the Arab airlines for the purchase of fuel, the newspaper said.
The Dutch tabloid De Telegraaf had said June 6 thatcEtihad Airways was interested in acquiring a stake in Air France-KLM and is discussing this with the Franco-Dutch company.
Etihad recently increased the number of acquisitions, taking its controlling interest in Air Berlin at nearly 30% and buying nearly 3% of Aer Lingus. It also increased to 4.99% the stake in Virgin Australia, to eventually own 10% of the company.
Source: Les Echos (in French)
Jun 13, 2012, 1:32 pm
#55
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 14,352
Hartman told Luchtvaartnieuws.nl that Ethiad has "no choice", it must form a JV because it is being squeezed by Emirates and Qatar.
Johan
Johan
Jun 13, 2012, 1:54 pm
#56
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: FRA
Programs: FB Plat & DL KM, Le Club Plat, GHA Plat, HHonors Diamond
Posts: 1,591
Hartman told Luchtvaartnieuws.nl that Ethiad has "no choice", it must form a JV because it is being squeezed by Emirates and Qatar.
Johan
Johan
Jun 13, 2012, 11:59 pm
#57
Suspended
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: HKG, VCE, CAN
Programs: CX MPO
Posts: 585
The Franco-Dutch airline Air France-KLM is having "serious" talks with the national airline of United Arab Emirates Etihad Airways to form a joint venture, said on Tuesday KLM.
"These are serious discussions to determine how best the two companies can work together. What is being discussed right now, it is a joint venture," said Joost Ruentol, a spokesman of the KLM airline, Dutch arm of Air France-KLM.
"An entry of Etihad into the capital of Air France-KLM, as was announced in the media lately, is not in the agenda," added Mr. Ruentol.
Air France-KLM had recently repeatedly stated its desire to form a commercial and non-capital alliance with Etihad Airways.
"If you can not beat them, you must join them," said the executive director of KLM, Peter Hartman, quoted Tuesday by the online Dutch financial daily Het Financieele Dagblad.
The Franco-Dutch airline is looking for a way to compete with Emirates and get the benefits enjoyed by the Arab airlines for the purchase of fuel, the newspaper said.
The Dutch tabloid De Telegraaf had said June 6 thatcEtihad Airways was interested in acquiring a stake in Air France-KLM and is discussing this with the Franco-Dutch company.
Etihad recently increased the number of acquisitions, taking its controlling interest in Air Berlin at nearly 30% and buying nearly 3% of Aer Lingus. It also increased to 4.99% the stake in Virgin Australia, to eventually own 10% of the company.
Source: Les Echos (in French)
"These are serious discussions to determine how best the two companies can work together. What is being discussed right now, it is a joint venture," said Joost Ruentol, a spokesman of the KLM airline, Dutch arm of Air France-KLM.
"An entry of Etihad into the capital of Air France-KLM, as was announced in the media lately, is not in the agenda," added Mr. Ruentol.
Air France-KLM had recently repeatedly stated its desire to form a commercial and non-capital alliance with Etihad Airways.
"If you can not beat them, you must join them," said the executive director of KLM, Peter Hartman, quoted Tuesday by the online Dutch financial daily Het Financieele Dagblad.
The Franco-Dutch airline is looking for a way to compete with Emirates and get the benefits enjoyed by the Arab airlines for the purchase of fuel, the newspaper said.
The Dutch tabloid De Telegraaf had said June 6 thatcEtihad Airways was interested in acquiring a stake in Air France-KLM and is discussing this with the Franco-Dutch company.
Etihad recently increased the number of acquisitions, taking its controlling interest in Air Berlin at nearly 30% and buying nearly 3% of Aer Lingus. It also increased to 4.99% the stake in Virgin Australia, to eventually own 10% of the company.
Source: Les Echos (in French)
Only LH among the Big European Three seems so far not desiring any link with Gulf carriers, let's see for how long they will maintain their attitude.
(note to WW: start taking some shares in AB, or those cunny French will eat your lunch once again
)
Jun 14, 2012, 6:25 am
#58
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Asia
Programs: Skywards, KrisFlyer, Flying Blue, BAEC but only till I’ve used all my Avios, Thai Orchid
Posts: 282
Aaargh, cries of woe from me this is all terrible news
I have tried to get as far away from the dreaded excuse for an airline called AF and that favela with a runway aka Roissy CDG since 2010 and thought I had nicely managed it by moving to Creberland and adopting GVA as my home airport and anything-other-than-airfrance as my carrier of choice. And EK and EY are firm favourites now, as especially is Dubai for me when headed East. And give me the orange peril anyday over airfrance. At least they have crew that smile, no matter the adversity, and reliability and punctuality are now on a par if not better than AF
And now this? Is no-one safe from the clutches and the claws of this dreadful airline? Whereby BA have the motto something like "We fly to serve " ( and that's the biggest load of old tosh, they should be had up for misrepresentation) it would seem that AF have adopted the motto "There is no place to hide". I am not sure which is worse, but leave EK and EY alone. They do an great job and do not need big brother interference or indeed any help along the way from an incompetent such as AF
Allez
Sim
I have tried to get as far away from the dreaded excuse for an airline called AF and that favela with a runway aka Roissy CDG since 2010 and thought I had nicely managed it by moving to Creberland and adopting GVA as my home airport and anything-other-than-airfrance as my carrier of choice. And EK and EY are firm favourites now, as especially is Dubai for me when headed East. And give me the orange peril anyday over airfrance. At least they have crew that smile, no matter the adversity, and reliability and punctuality are now on a par if not better than AF
And now this? Is no-one safe from the clutches and the claws of this dreadful airline? Whereby BA have the motto something like "We fly to serve " ( and that's the biggest load of old tosh, they should be had up for misrepresentation) it would seem that AF have adopted the motto "There is no place to hide". I am not sure which is worse, but leave EK and EY alone. They do an great job and do not need big brother interference or indeed any help along the way from an incompetent such as AF
Allez
Sim
