Goldorak

Hey my friend. I just saw that you are approching your 30,000th post !! Does FT offer you a round-the-world P ticket when you pass the threshold ?

stimpy

Hah. You are still drinking the new years Champagne?

Goldorak

no, the Billecart Salmon of the 2E lounge yesterday for the 787 inaugural flight

ijgordon

What does that mean exactly? I assume P was still more expensive than J (usually a valid assumption...), and my point really was why pay the extra just for a somewhat bigger bed, when J is pretty darn good. (Yes, I understand there are other/valid reasons to choose F over J and there's probably a price point; my original comment was clearly tongue-in-cheek.

brunos

Comparing a P discounted price to a so-called "usual" J fare is not meaningful.
You can get a discounted J fare well below the discounted P fare.

stimpy

Wrong again. Best to deal with facts or at least stop with declarative statements based on assumptions.

brunos

Would you mean detailing the facts?

stimpy

The point is that I, and only I in this thread have the facts of the price of the P ticket I purchased and the available price of a J ticket at that moment. You do not have this information so it is kind of foolish to make a declarative statement about whether I wasted several thousand euros by sleeping on my JFK-CDG flight rather than dining after midnight or buying a J ticket, etc. I said pretty clearly that my P ticket was, in this unique instance, cheaper than a J ticket.

If you want to make a general statement about how you feel about J versus P, that's fine. Especially if it is based on your own experience. But criticizing others without knowing their circumstances is rarely a good idea.

orbitmic

Indeed, only you know what you paid and what the alternatives were, but since this is a discussion forum and not your personal diary, wouldn't you say that the best way to ensure that, as you rightly suggest, people deal with the relevant facts which, as you rightly point out, you are the only one to know, is to provide them and them people won't assume things (wrongly or otherwise)?

Well, no, you did not say that at all. You said: 'I got the P ticket on sale for cheaper than the usual J price.', which is an entirely different and unrelated statement. You could have said: 'I got the P ticket for cheaper than J was on the same flight' but you did not.

A P ticket could be cheaper than the 'usual J price' (which, by the way, to me is a bit of a meaningless concept as there is no such thing as a "usual J price" - two week long advanced booking inflexible summer 'usual price' with a connection from a cheap market is very different from mid-September out Thursday back Friday booked at the last minute and requiring full flexibility) but still more expensive than the J ticket at equivalent conditions; or... a P ticket could be cheaper than the J equivalent but still more expensive than the 'usual' J prices, or it could be cheaper than both or more expensive than both, so relation to alternative, relation to usual, and your definition/criterion of usual are three different facts which only you can and therefore - if you do not want people to make ungrounded assumptions - have the responsibility to provide.

If you don't, this is FT and people will try and double guess the facts from the information people do not provide.

ijgordon

Exactly.

I guess it's just hard to figure out some peoples' agendas. Love when the story changes. Sigh.

knit-in

I was wondering that too. AF's JFK lounge is a Priority Pass lounge as well.

SDQBound

No sorting at all. Elite+ and Priority Pass customers are allowed to the same area, but do not receive the dinner voucher (at least when I used the service).

agjil

I didn't know about the lounge pre-flight dining option either.
Is this something that's only offered in JFK, or do all flights from US/Canada East Coast to CDG have this option in the lounge?

SDQBound

Only JFK-CDG at the moment. Not even JFK-ORY

lynxy

That's true, but the JFK-ORY flight is much earlier (about 3 hours if I'm not mistaken) than the AF11 or AF9 for which the pre-dinner flight is offered. Eating dinner at 5pm is way too early for many people I imagine