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LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible


NORTH AMERICA

- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)

CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)


ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)

AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)

MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)

CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date

Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25


Code:
F-GSPA  NEV4
 F-GSPE  NEV4
 F-GSPM  NEV4
 F-GSPZ  NEV4
 
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25


Code:
F-GSPD
 F-GSPP



Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25

Code:
F-GSPB  BEST
 F-GSPC  BEST
 F-GSPF  BEST
 F-GSPG  BEST
 F-GSPH  BEST
 F-GSPI  BEST
 F-GSPJ - BEST
 F-GSPK  BEST
 F-GSPQ  BEST
 F-GSPR  BEST
 F-GSPS  BEST
 F-GSPT  BEST
 F-GSPU  BEST
 F-GSPV  BEST
 F-GSPX  BEST
 F-GSPY  BEST
 
 
 or
 
 
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25



Code:
F-GSPL  BEST
 F-GSPO  BEST
 F-GSPN  BEST
 
 
 
 







Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43

Code:
All Converted to BEST
 
 



Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43

Code:
F-GSQD  NEV4
 F-GSQE  NEV4
 F-GZNH  NEV4
 F-GZNI  NEV4
 F-GZNJ - NEV4
 F-GZNK  NEV4
 

Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43




Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43

Code:
F-GSQA  BEST
 F-GSQB  BEST
 F-GSQC  BEST
 F-GSQF  BEST
 F-GSQG  BEST
 F-GSQH  BEST
 F-GSQI  BEST
 F-GSQJ  BEST
 F-GSQK  BEST
 F-GSQL  BEST
 F-GSQY  BEST
 F-GSQM  BEST
 F-GSQU - BEST
 F-GSQV  BEST
 F-GSQY  BEST
 F-GZNA  BEST
 F-GZNB - BEST
 F-GZNC  BEST
 F-GZND - BEST
 F-GZNE  BEST
 
 
 or
 
 
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43

Code:
F-GSQN  NEV4
 F-GSQO  NEV4
 F-GSQP  NEV4
 F-GSQR  NEV4
 F-GSQS  NEV4
 F-GSQT  NEV4
 F-GSQX  NEV4
 F-GZNF  NEV4
 F-GZNG  NEV4
 F-GZNL  NEV4
 F-GZNN  NEV4
 F-GZNO  NEV4
 

Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43

Code:
F-GZNP  NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015)
 F-GZNQ  NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015)
 F-GZNR  NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015)
 F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016)
 F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016)
 F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
 
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 5:06 am
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You want to make 2 connections just to have flat beds??
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by LY777
You want to make 2 connections just to have flat beds??
I was thinking the same thing. Each connection introduces the chance that you won't make that connection, with follow-on impact to the last flight. And AF's older Business seats aren't bad, and have a hard shell so no one can recline into you (unlike Delta's old recliners). The only drawback is if you were stuck in a middle seat in the 2x3x2 configuration.
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by mattp1987
Thank you. I'm planning a trip from IAD-MUC using Delta miles. I'd rather fly AF for the single connection but might go with VS and an extra connection for guaranteed flat beds. Next September's schedule for IAD-CDG currently shows some days with just an A380, some days with just a 4 class 77W, and some days with both an A380 and a 772.
We are talking Sep 2016, so a lot of things can change in the next year.
Personally, I add one connection to avoid NEV seats on very longhaul.

But there should be several other options that do not force you to an additional connection. Like flying through ATL (or possible through AMS).
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by LY777
You want to make 2 connections just to have flat beds??
I would at least consider it.

Originally Posted by TrojanTraveler
I was thinking the same thing. Each connection introduces the chance that you won't make that connection, with follow-on impact to the last flight. And AF's older Business seats aren't bad, and have a hard shell so no one can recline into you (unlike Delta's old recliners). The only drawback is if you were stuck in a middle seat in the 2x3x2 configuration.
I've generally found routings that allow 4-ish hour connections, so my greater concern is cutting into vacation time. I'm glad to hear that take on the old seats; I've read some horrendous things online about them. I'm not concerned about getting middle seats 11 months out. Plus, I'm flying with my father on a trip I'm booking for his birthday, so sitting together in the 2 seats outside shouldn't be too bad.

Originally Posted by brunos
We are talking Sep 2016, so a lot of things can change in the next year.
Personally, I add one connection to avoid NEV seats on very longhaul.

But there should be several other options that do not force you to an additional connection. Like flying through ATL (or possible through AMS).
I think I'm going to go with the AF flights assuming they're available when booking opens up in a few weeks. On this quick overnight flight I'd rather get to the destination sooner, and it sounds like getting some sleep on NEV is possible. I have no hope of finding 2 seats in J on ATL-MUC during Oktoberfest, and IAD-AMS is pretty bare as well. I could route through DTW or MSP or start in RIC or DCA or BWI, but those would all require a second connection as well, so I'd just take the VS flight in that case.

Thanks all!
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Old Sep 26, 2015, 4:49 am
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For those interested, Flight-Report studied the flying publics response to Air Frances new Best & Beyond cabins.

http://blog.flight-report.com/en/eng...beyond-cabins/

It's worthwhile to note that new Economy & Business seats are showing the best progression compared to previous generation. The new La Premiere seat is also very popular with 9.6/10.
On the other hand, the refurbished Premium Economy seat is only perceived as marginally better.

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Old Sep 26, 2015, 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by Leadership
For those interested, Flight-Report studied the flying publics response to Air Frances new Best & Beyond cabins.

It's worthwhile to note that new Economy & Business seats are showing the best progression compared to previous generation. The new La Premiere seat is also very popular with 9.6/10.
On the other hand, the refurbished Premium Economy seat is only perceived as marginally better.
I think this is a very fair assessment. Thanks for sharing
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Old Oct 2, 2015, 8:35 am
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Cancun

Does flight AF650 have new business class seats?

I looked up seatguru - it shows 4 class cabin and 61 biz.
I looked up AirFrance site - it shows 14 biz.
I called "AirFrance" - Delta staff - they don't know.

How can I find out?

Thanks
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Old Oct 2, 2015, 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ellylex
Does flight AF650 have new business class seats?

I looked up seatguru - it shows 4 class cabin and 61 biz.
I looked up AirFrance site - it shows 14 biz.
I called "AirFrance" - Delta staff - they don't know.

How can I find out?

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Seatguru is not telling you a config for a specific route. It displays the different configurations available for each aircraft type for each airline (and with many mistakes our outdated info). The one you mentioned (4 class, 61J) is just one of the 77W config AF has. Seatguru shows several for AF.
But, answering your question is easy : CUN is served by a 77W in COI config with high density Y cabin and only 14 J seats. And no, those planes don't have the new J seats and will likely never have it. Those aircrafts have the previous version of the J seat (called NEV4 on this forum). It is a very slightly angled seat. It is far from being as nice as the new seat but I always found it comfortable enough for me and always slept well in.
On a satellite note, it's really a shame that the DL agent (representing AF in North America) was not able to give you that kind of basic information. Just another confirmation that they are totally clueless about AF ops.

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Old Oct 3, 2015, 4:08 am
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To show how "random" it could be sometimes for flying the BEST cabin : IAD is supposed to receive the BEST cabin only from January 12 and only on 054/055 rotation. But I just had the pleasure to fly it on AF027 from IAD. It was not a last minute substitution as I knew it would be a BEST aircraft when I booked a week before and saw the 1-2-1 config on the seat map and I was very happy about this
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Do I read right that BOS is served by the new J seat until March 2016 (from when we don't know whether the route will continue to be served by new J or revert back to old J)?
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Originally Posted by mabramovich
Do I read right that BOS is served by the new J seat until March 2016 (from when we don't know whether the route will continue to be served by new J or revert back to old J)?
Yes, correct. However, the more we move into 2016, the less likely it will be to revert to old J. But this remains always a possibility.
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
Yes, correct. However, the more we move into 2016, the less likely it will be to revert to old J. But this remains always a possibility.
And when I check it looks like 747s were flying last few days anyway so I guess nothing is a guarantee.
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 9:48 am
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And when I check it looks like 747s were flying last few days anyway so I guess nothing is a guarantee.
Quite a few flights a week were 747s CDG-BOS this summer. I actually took one of those flights. IIRC, got an A340 on the way back to CDG which surprised me.
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Quite a few flights a week were 747s CDG-BOS this summer. I actually took one of those flights. IIRC, got an A340 on the way back to CDG which surprised me.
Sigh, where is a guy to redeem his ThankYou points?
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Old Oct 8, 2015, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
Quite a few flights a week were 747s CDG-BOS this summer. I actually took one of those flights. IIRC, got an A340 on the way back to CDG which surprised me.
Not a few flights a week. Last summer, BOS had 3 flights/day : 2 on AF, 1 on DL. For the 2 AF flights, one was on a 744 (every day) and the other one was on an A332 (every day and occasionally an A340)
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