Scott218

You should email or tweet about your experience.

brunos

reading a few of the above posts, you could see that the lounge was already reopened a month ago.

ShopAround

Yes, but if you click through, the post on the AF website is dated December 8th, so maybe that was the formal inauguration.

I'll be there in two weeks and am looking forward to it (as well as another ride on the A380).

Zalmistinks

Had to fly AF again and was reminded again how poor this "new" lounge compares to the competition. The shower facilities are still disgusting and should be refurbished immediately, how can the lounge manager or other staff not be embarrassed by this?

I saw another recent post about this on the LH forum as their lounge is being updated and passengers sent to the AF lounge in the interim.

olivedel

Interesting. Do you hve pictures to share with us? I have never had the chance to use shower facilities at JFK.
But frankly, globally speaking, even the older lounge was not amongst the worse at JFK T1. Thinking about JL or AZ... I have never visited the LH one though.

San Gottardo

It's been a while but at the LH lounge there is a dedicated section for First Class pax and HONs which is the same as the FCLs/FCT in Frankfurt and Munich (in terms of design, amenities, including the a-la-carte-restaurant). Less sure about the "normal" SEN lounge, but I guess it is just that, a normal SEN lounge

Zalmistinks

I strongly suggest the AF managers visit the BA, LH, VS, AA, and even DL lounge offerings at JFK - all have better shower rooms and the BA CCR, LH FCL, and VS lounges offer amenities that, on most levels, are on par with La Premiere at CDG.

olivedel

LOL.

Zalmistinks

Have you been to the BA CCR, VS CH, or LH FCL at JFK to compare to the "new" AF lounge at JFK? While having a totally different ambiance to the P lounge at CDG these three, including the VS clubhouse have highly attentive staff, a wide range of beverage selection, the VS lounge also has a Bumble and Bumble spa including hair salon as well as spa showers and while admittedly not to my taste quite a few different comfortable seating and dining areas... I would argue that the BA CCR at JFK rivals the P lounge at CDG. My point is that these are all lounges at an outstation and given the competition and the more than 10 weeks AF took to reopen the lounge at JFK it is woeful compared to the competition at the same airport which is a pity as AF in the new P is a great product.

olivedel

I have not compared the new AF lounge at JFK with any of the others you mentionned. I just quoted you comparing VS clubhouses with AF La Première lounge at CDG. I have used both, and as long as VS Clubhouses are indeed very good, they do not measure up to the P lounge of CDG, in terms of food at least, and in terms of ground services too.

I personally have not tried any F class service out of JFK (besides opups at the gate, so no ground experience).

Zalmistinks

Absolutely agree with you in terms of ground services/car transfer at P CDG, I was making a general point about the amenities available at the VS lounge at JFK (as well as the other mentioned lounges) and they are pretty strong, in some ways comparable to the P lounge at CDG. I wish the AF team had really put some effort into the JFK lounge, it seems quite weak.

San Gottardo

In terms of First Class lounges I just know the BA CCR, the LH First/HON lounge and the LX First/HON lounges at JFK, as well as the AF P lounge in Paris (I have not been to the new Air France JFK lounge). I won't comment on the old DL lounges in T3 (if Lampedusa was an airline lounge...)

So I can put the comparison in perspective for you: the Lufthansa and BA lounges are smaller, but otherwise identical to the CCR/First lounges at their respective hubs. Swiss as well in terms of design, but the food offering is below the First/HON lounge in Zurich, but still it has an a-la-carte dining experience.

There lies the difference: BA, LH and LX have taken to JFK smaller versions of their flagship lounges. As far as I understand AF has not done that but built something lesser than the P lounge in Paris.