Here it is... AF's new J seat
Feb 5, 2014, 7:51 am
#61
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The crazy part of the news is that the overhaul will not be fully completed before Summer 2016 (yes 2016) so you might still enjoy the crappy seats for another 30 months...
Feb 5, 2014, 8:51 am
#62
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AF seat has only two movable cushions (back and buttock) and is lacking the calf support cushion, but with a bigger fixed foot rest. It seems that there is no moveable calf support cushion on AF seat. This will be quite uncomfortable when seating, as I like to raise my legs.
It would appear that AF is again trying to save on weight by removing that part of the seat (like on NEV4).
It would appear that AF is again trying to save on weight by removing that part of the seat (like on NEV4).
We got all carried away assuming AF had asked for the same seat as competition's, only lamenting lack of innovation.
Well, innovation there is: à la AF!
Too little too late...
Feb 5, 2014, 9:10 am
#63
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I am wondering what IFE system it will be: the remote seems a new one, different from Thales or eX2.
Nothing mentioned about the way they will manage to change the config. There was a short animation aired on news yesterday that is not on AF website.
Nothing mentioned about the way they will manage to change the config. There was a short animation aired on news yesterday that is not on AF website.
Feb 5, 2014, 10:19 am
#64
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Feb 5, 2014, 10:24 am
#65
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where I live, €100k / $160k would barely buy you a parking place!
Feb 5, 2014, 10:42 am
#66
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Originally Posted by AF French travel agent portal
New York-JFK sera la première destination à offrir cette nouvelle expérience de voyage en cabine Business. Elle sera ensuite disponible sur HKG, NRT, PVG et ATL d´ici la fin de 2014.
Feb 5, 2014, 1:26 pm
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This one is quite different and more like the QR one.
The position of the IFE apscreen, the large side locker are the main differences, along with a different arm rest layout and the curve side wall. Also there is no legrest in the AF one which is unique.
Feb 5, 2014, 1:38 pm
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I fully agree. Looking at the pictures, this seat has significant differences with CX, while CX and AA are fairly similar except for minute details.
Let me state my main worry.
Like most J flat beds, the seat is very narrow. I sleep on the side and my bad back requires that I bend my knees extensively to avoid back pains. On some flat beds I cannot do that as the sides prevents me to do it. On CX Cirrus I cannot do it if I lie on the side facing the aisle as the seat in front prevents it, but I can do it on the other side as there is a "hole" to put my knees. On AF version that "hole" appears to have been significantly reduced. Maybe some electrical wiring there. More likely, that the feet of the pax behind are infringing further forward than on the CX/AA seat. If that were true, it would be very bad news for my back.
But it will be years before I get a chance to verify. No way that I will book an AF flight before I am assured to get the new seat.
BTW: The design and white color looks nice, but worried how it will sustain the proof of time.
Let me state my main worry.
Like most J flat beds, the seat is very narrow. I sleep on the side and my bad back requires that I bend my knees extensively to avoid back pains. On some flat beds I cannot do that as the sides prevents me to do it. On CX Cirrus I cannot do it if I lie on the side facing the aisle as the seat in front prevents it, but I can do it on the other side as there is a "hole" to put my knees. On AF version that "hole" appears to have been significantly reduced. Maybe some electrical wiring there. More likely, that the feet of the pax behind are infringing further forward than on the CX/AA seat. If that were true, it would be very bad news for my back.
But it will be years before I get a chance to verify. No way that I will book an AF flight before I am assured to get the new seat.
BTW: The design and white color looks nice, but worried how it will sustain the proof of time.
Feb 5, 2014, 1:40 pm
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Not really... The first airline that introduced these seats was US Airways. Reference: my 2010 Trip Report: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...-first-tr.html
CX and BR didn't even dream then about introducing these seats...
CX and BR didn't even dream then about introducing these seats...
Feb 5, 2014, 2:39 pm
#70
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Note to self:
Check early 2015 if AF has the new seats on BKK-CDG, if not recheck early 2016.
I don't fly AF, LH, TG and others because old business class seats to BRU.
AC BRU-YUL in J was fine, might fly them again in 2014.
Check early 2015 if AF has the new seats on BKK-CDG, if not recheck early 2016.
I don't fly AF, LH, TG and others because old business class seats to BRU.
AC BRU-YUL in J was fine, might fly them again in 2014.
Feb 5, 2014, 2:40 pm
#71
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Look at the seats and imagine the amount of work involved to change the configuration!
Then when would this configuration with less seats be needed? A few weeks in summer?
All this worth the trouble (if technically possible at all)? Rather than sell the seats at lower price?
Feb 5, 2014, 3:03 pm
#72
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Thank you JOUY31.
It will not be easy to know what Panasonic system is used. However, I went to their website and I found the new remote, it's the "video hanset" with an integrated screen. Interesting, I wonder how it will be put in place.
I quote the description http://www.panasonic.aero/InflightSy...omponents.aspx
"Panasonic features a 4.2-inch LCD display that offers the passengers a “second screen” at the seat for not only navigating the graphical user interface (GUI), but also for viewing media, playing games, and watching the map, all without interrupting the entertainment on the smart monitor.
The handset’s LCD capacitive touchscreen offers scrolling text display, 2D graphics and animation, as well as an automatic orientation sensor to match the handset’s display to the installed or handheld position. Additional built-in features include an onscreen keyboard for texting and emails, a phone with onscreen dialing, and a built-in credit card reader."
It will not be easy to know what Panasonic system is used. However, I went to their website and I found the new remote, it's the "video hanset" with an integrated screen. Interesting, I wonder how it will be put in place.
I quote the description http://www.panasonic.aero/InflightSy...omponents.aspx
"Panasonic features a 4.2-inch LCD display that offers the passengers a “second screen” at the seat for not only navigating the graphical user interface (GUI), but also for viewing media, playing games, and watching the map, all without interrupting the entertainment on the smart monitor.
The handset’s LCD capacitive touchscreen offers scrolling text display, 2D graphics and animation, as well as an automatic orientation sensor to match the handset’s display to the installed or handheld position. Additional built-in features include an onscreen keyboard for texting and emails, a phone with onscreen dialing, and a built-in credit card reader."
Feb 5, 2014, 3:19 pm
#73
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I rarely bet, if at all, but would risk a sizable amount that this will never work.
Look at the seats and imagine the amount of work involved to change the configuration!
Then when would this configuration with less seats be needed? A few weeks in summer?
All this worth the trouble (if technically possible at all)? Rather than sell the seats at lower price?
Look at the seats and imagine the amount of work involved to change the configuration!
Then when would this configuration with less seats be needed? A few weeks in summer?
All this worth the trouble (if technically possible at all)? Rather than sell the seats at lower price?
They need to have something versatile and fast to be changed, otherwise they will end with a lot of operational issues.
Feb 5, 2014, 10:26 pm
#74
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Thank you JOUY31.
It will not be easy to know what Panasonic system is used. However, I went to their website and I found the new remote, it's the "video hanset" with an integrated screen. Interesting, I wonder how it will be put in place.
I quote the description http://www.panasonic.aero/InflightSy...omponents.aspx
"Panasonic features a 4.2-inch LCD display that offers the passengers a “second screen” at the seat for not only navigating the graphical user interface (GUI), but also for viewing media, playing games, and watching the map, all without interrupting the entertainment on the smart monitor.
The handset’s LCD capacitive touchscreen offers scrolling text display, 2D graphics and animation, as well as an automatic orientation sensor to match the handset’s display to the installed or handheld position. Additional built-in features include an onscreen keyboard for texting and emails, a phone with onscreen dialing, and a built-in credit card reader."
It will not be easy to know what Panasonic system is used. However, I went to their website and I found the new remote, it's the "video hanset" with an integrated screen. Interesting, I wonder how it will be put in place.
I quote the description http://www.panasonic.aero/InflightSy...omponents.aspx
"Panasonic features a 4.2-inch LCD display that offers the passengers a “second screen” at the seat for not only navigating the graphical user interface (GUI), but also for viewing media, playing games, and watching the map, all without interrupting the entertainment on the smart monitor.
The handset’s LCD capacitive touchscreen offers scrolling text display, 2D graphics and animation, as well as an automatic orientation sensor to match the handset’s display to the installed or handheld position. Additional built-in features include an onscreen keyboard for texting and emails, a phone with onscreen dialing, and a built-in credit card reader."
Feb 5, 2014, 11:20 pm
#75
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