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Old Jul 22, 04, 11:46 am   #1
 
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YHZ To The USA

Looks like the only direct service on AC from YHZ to the USA this fall will be 2 Jazz Dash8s a day to BOS. Down from 4 Dash8s this summer. Not long ago some BOS flights were operated with BAe146 aircraft and there was also nonstop service to EWR and for awhile IAD.

Must be the competition from the US carriers at YHZ now: Continental with 4 flights a day to EWR including 2 on mainline 737s. Comair 3/day CRJs to Boston. Northwest is back with 2/day CRJs to Detroit and American Eagle to JFK with 3 ERJs and also weekend only service to Boston. Probably won’t be long before CanJet has a flight to Boston or New York.

And this is the first summer I can remember AC hasn’t operated at least 2 daily 767s to YYZ. Largest AC aircraft at YHZ now is a 321 (except the daily YHZ-YYT-LHR 767)
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Old Jul 22, 04, 1:13 pm   #2
 
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Air Canada's service out of YHZ is now pathetic, especially to the US. They've even dropped the non-stop YHZ-LHR flights, which were always full (guess they need that plane for Bogota). Unless you are headed to YYZ, there are many better choices now from other airlines.

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Looks like the only direct service on AC from YHZ to the USA this fall will be 2 Jazz Dash8s a day to BOS. Down from 4 Dash8s this summer. Not long ago some BOS flights were operated with BAe146 aircraft and there was also nonstop service to EWR and for awhile IAD.

Must be the competition from the US carriers at YHZ now: Continental with 4 flights a day to EWR including 2 on mainline 737s. Comair 3/day CRJs to Boston. Northwest is back with 2/day CRJs to Detroit and American Eagle to JFK with 3 ERJs and also weekend only service to Boston. Probably won’t be long before CanJet has a flight to Boston or New York.

And this is the first summer I can remember AC hasn’t operated at least 2 daily 767s to YYZ. Largest AC aircraft at YHZ now is a 321 (except the daily YHZ-YYT-LHR 767)
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Old Jul 22, 04, 11:36 pm   #3
 
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As a native Haligonian, I too am saddened by the lack of widebody service on YHZ/YYZ... I didn't find out untili I tried to ship a 2.2 m sofa via cargo and found out the only way I could get it out from there to here was via LHR! There has always been widebody service to Toronto for as long as I can remember... it was quite a shock to see it gone. Unfortunately, with the 767 stopping at YYT every day now, I don't think there is enough time to do a complete LHR-YHZ-YYZ-LHR rotation, as that aircraft used to do. YYT-LHR is very popular, but not popular enough to command it's own flight. I believe the morning 767 is now operating a seasonal flight over the Pacific.

However, AC is still offering about 1400 seats each weekday from YHZ to YYZ, just a little less than than last year's sked. Apparently someone in Montreal believes that is a good equilibrium position... I would imagine given the frequency of AC's nonstop service any non-discretionary traveler who wants to fly AC between the two cities probably already is... if we offered anymore seats on the route, I suppose they would have to be priced low enough to coax pax from JetsGo, CanJet or WestJet, or other modes of transport (i.e. pretty low).

As for the US service, I've heard Joe Randall at Jazz is advocating more transborder service from YHZ, but I don't know if Montreal is listening. I believe they are asking YHZ to make the case that there is enough O/D traffic to warrant it, and that the yields are good enough.

All last year I was doing YHZ-LAX roundtrips once or twice a month on CO for about $450 roundtrip all-in. AC usually wanted $550+. However, AC's schedule allowed a red-eye departure out of LA that would connect to a Halifax flight that would get me into Halifax before 11 am. CO couldn't get me home before 4 PM.
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Old Jul 23, 04, 8:13 am   #4
 
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Welcome to the continually-shrinking world of AC outside of YYZ/YUL/YVR/YYC. You're fully experiencing what has happened out West for the past few years. As a result the Americans move in. They are not the cause as the Morons in Montreal delude themselves with visions of grandeur as Canadians begin to fly US carriers internationally. Try it. You'll like it.
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