ridefar

There is a cap. For AC it is what? $750? As it has been for 30 years? (Yes I am probably exaggerating, but if somebody chooses to respond to the exaggeration and not the substance...) If an airline is going to take your bag and charge you for it, they own the responsibility of getting it and its contents back to you, or paying you fair compensation. My point was simply what if the majority of the value was the clothing, would we still say it is foolish? And it is quite easy to exceed the cap with a single pair of shoes. Never mind anything else. The cap is outdated. Not only is it not unwise to pack more than that, it is completely totally reasonable and normal to do so. The airline should take real responsibility for lost luggage. Like everything else though, they basically say: "not my problem." Anyways, try transporting a bike. Then you can get really outraged at the gap between what they will compensate you for and the value of the item. It can be much much larger than the amount being discussed here.

Transpacificflyer

Understood, and acknowledged that everything you say is irrefutable, and right on. It just irks me that AC will get the "blame" for losing the luggage for what I believe is an Alitalia screw up. My annoyance is that Alitalia and FCO get a free pass on this because the media doesn't provide the detail. No argument from me on the AC response as I have been through it several times and its crap.

ridefar

Actually, all I was doing was using it as shorthand for: it doesn't matter which airline lost her bag, and it could well have been AC or it could have been another carrier, AC is responsible for the bag, its contents, and getting them back to her.

flyquiet

The cap is 1,131 Special Drawing Rights, which the Internet tells me currently equates to roughly 1,991 CAD.

However, I have had AC say that the Montreal Convention is limited in its applicability. For instance, no compensation for delayed bags when arriving to one's home. I prevailed over that because I needed the wardrobe that was in the bag (and did not have the equivalent at home) to pack for another immediate trip. However, I attributed my success to having travelled from EU. I can't recall the mouse print on the domestic tariff but I had the impression they were picking and choosing clauses of the convention to accept whereas ex-EU they cannot pick or choose.

I would think Alitalia will not get a free pass. I think the airlines will settle it between them. The same goes the other way often enough, I am sure.

ridefar

It has now jumped to $1500 CDN. Which I would assume AC would apply to any flight that doesn't depart the EU. (Most of them.)

When a decent Briggs & Riley is $500, that leaves you with $1000 for contents. Which could be less than a pair of shoes or maybe two. Heck, a pair of decent gym outfits (Lulu Lemon, for example) and some running shoes would be $400-$450. What if I packed a heart rate monitor? Oh, thats another $75. Anyways, we all know this. To dispute that it is easy, normal, and reasonable to significantly exceed the allowance is just being obtuse and obstreperous.

durberville

While a carrier may claim that the baggage delay provisions of the Montreal Convention don't apply to a passenger returning home, this is not correct. The Montreal Convention does not distinguish between outbound travel or return travel for the purposes of delay reimbursements. Indeed, the CTA has publically and consistently ruled against carriers trying to claim no reimbursements for returning home. So if a carrier denies a claim for Montreal Convention reimbursement due to 'returning home', they're in violation of their tariff and the Montreal Convention and a claim should be made against them at the CTA.

flyquiet

Curious, what kind of shoes are you counting here? Maybe if I paid more, I could go faster.

Stranger

Domestic travel is not subject to either the Montreal or the Warsaw convention. as another poster said it's CAD 1500 for luggage.


Warsaw convention is even worse. Seems to apply to countries that signed it, but did not sign the Montreal one.

ridefar

Maybe you could. I believe I said a pair (as in two) Lulu Lemon outfits (shorts and shirt) plus running shoes. I allotted $150 for each outfit. That leaves $100-$150 for shoes. Which if you run, is, I think, fairly normal. You can go price it out if you want, but it strikes me as in line. Oh, I didn't include socks. And I assumed summer gear, not rain or winter. Because that could be another $200 more.

So you tell me, does a $100 for a pair of running shoes make you faster? Faster than what? Is that fast enough? I know a $20k bike can make you faster than a $2k bike (thanks to marketing and aerodynamics). You should see the arguments amongst some cyclists who think those with a $20k bike have bought their way to a time trial victory (in their local club race). LOL.

Transpacificflyer

Higher quality general form Adidas, Asics and Nike trainers easily go for $200 to $300. You can see them online at the retailers.

When that debonaire young buck from SFO isn't in flip flops, I bet he is wearing Buscemi High Tops @ $1,200 or flashing his Nike Air Kobe I @ $35,000 or maybe looking saucy in his Jimmy Choo runners @ $3500.

flyquiet

(removing OT)

tcook052

Please note a number of off topic posts have been deleted so let's please return the discussion to the thread topic.

tcook052
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canadiancow

It's only as irrelevant as the "AC did lose it".

State an incorrect or unprovable fact, and I'm going to counter it.

You have never seen me wearing flip flops. And unless we happen to run into each other on a beach, you never well. And even then, I'd say it's 50/50.

But yes, I do like my $35k runners.

Wpgjetse

I agree with you. My suitcase could have over 10K of clothing in it.

Wpgjetse

I'm betting it's not AC fault. Italian airport are bad for luggage. AC should have been able to tell pax if their bag made it to the AC flight. If bag didn't make the AC flight, I would think bag is lost forever. Italian airport worker will not even try to find it.