AC 136 YYC-YYZ today (19Mar18) delayed due to "crew refusal"
Mar 19, 2018, 10:27 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM; SPG Plat
Posts: 424
AC 136 YYC-YYZ today (19Mar18) delayed due to "crew refusal"
Oh goody, fin 505 rears its head again. AC 136 YYC-YYZ today. At least they didn't let us board. Not really sure what the remarks below mean, but I'm not overly optimistic as they keep pushing departure time back.
Comments:
AC0136/19MAR EQU ACA7M8A01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J Y
YYC - 0800 - 03.41
YYZ 1341 TOTAL TIME YYCYYZ 3.41
RMKS/DLYD BOARDING DUE CREW REFUSAL ON ACCT FIN505 MTC FLT DECK
DOOR ISSUE
YYC 1115 03:15L YYZ 1659 03:18L 7M8 ED EA
DEP TML GATE --/C52
ARR TML T1 GATE --/-----
Comments:
AC0136/19MAR EQU ACA7M8A01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J Y
YYC - 0800 - 03.41
YYZ 1341 TOTAL TIME YYCYYZ 3.41
RMKS/DLYD BOARDING DUE CREW REFUSAL ON ACCT FIN505 MTC FLT DECK
DOOR ISSUE
YYC 1115 03:15L YYZ 1659 03:18L 7M8 ED EA
DEP TML GATE --/C52
ARR TML T1 GATE --/-----
Mar 19, 2018, 10:41 am
#2
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Why? Why? Zed! / Why? You? Elle! / Gee! Are You!
Programs: Irrelevant
Posts: 3,543
Oh goody, fin 505 rears its head again. AC 136 YYC-YYZ today. At least they didn't let us board. Not really sure what the remarks below mean, but I'm not overly optimistic as they keep pushing departure time back.
Comments:
AC0136/19MAR EQU ACA7M8A01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J Y
YYC - 0800 - 03.41
YYZ 1341 TOTAL TIME YYCYYZ 3.41
RMKS/DLYD BOARDING DUE CREW REFUSAL ON ACCT FIN505 MTC FLT DECK
DOOR ISSUE
YYC 1115 03:15L YYZ 1659 03:18L 7M8 ED EA
DEP TML GATE --/C52
ARR TML T1 GATE --/-----
Comments:
AC0136/19MAR EQU ACA7M8A01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J Y
YYC - 0800 - 03.41
YYZ 1341 TOTAL TIME YYCYYZ 3.41
RMKS/DLYD BOARDING DUE CREW REFUSAL ON ACCT FIN505 MTC FLT DECK
DOOR ISSUE
YYC 1115 03:15L YYZ 1659 03:18L 7M8 ED EA
DEP TML GATE --/C52
ARR TML T1 GATE --/-----
What more are you expecting?
Mar 19, 2018, 10:51 am
#3
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM; SPG Plat
Posts: 424
I guess I don't expect them to tell more detail on the door (what, did the pilots get locked out?). And I guess it's the world we're in that if it's an inability to lock it (for instance) we have to be paranoid enough to not allow the plane to fly because something bad is highly likely to happen.
Just delayed to 11:45.
Mar 19, 2018, 11:01 am
#4
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE MM, IHG Diamond, National Exec Elite
Posts: 393
So I don't recall seeing "crew refusal" before, why would they add that? Maybe it's common and I've just never noticed it.
I guess I don't expect them to tell more detail on the door (what, did the pilots get locked out?). And I guess it's the world we're in that if it's an inability to lock it (for instance) we have to be paranoid enough to not allow the plane to fly because something bad is highly likely to happen.
Just delayed to 11:45.
I guess I don't expect them to tell more detail on the door (what, did the pilots get locked out?). And I guess it's the world we're in that if it's an inability to lock it (for instance) we have to be paranoid enough to not allow the plane to fly because something bad is highly likely to happen.
Just delayed to 11:45.
Mar 19, 2018, 11:26 am
#6
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM; SPG Plat
Posts: 424
Boarding now. Per captain: Lock wasn't working. They were actually trying to get relief from Transport Canada but before that came through engineering solved the problem. So maybe the paranoia can be gotten around - but then the bureaucracy kicks in!
Maybe avoid fin 505 for a while, doesn't bad luck come in threes?
Maybe avoid fin 505 for a while, doesn't bad luck come in threes?
Mar 19, 2018, 12:05 pm
#7
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Canada
Programs: Marriott Plat; Air Canada E75K; Westjet Platinum
Posts: 1,161
Teething pain for new aircrafts? They had a run of these with the Embraer 190 back in the day when it rolled out. Too many "Too cold, the door won't close" to count when E190 came out.
Mar 19, 2018, 12:24 pm
#8
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Halifax
Programs: AC SE100K, Marriott Lifetime Platinum Elite. NEXUS
Posts: 4,562
Reads to me as a passive aggressive ops guy free form typing into a REASON field somewhere. There are some standard abbreviations, but that field isn't a drop-down.
Two different set of licensed professionals getting into a pissing match and some "manager" working for his OTP bonus putting snark into the status is hardly unbelievable.
Two different set of licensed professionals getting into a pissing match and some "manager" working for his OTP bonus putting snark into the status is hardly unbelievable.
Mar 19, 2018, 5:19 pm
#10
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,302
Why does this one specifically mention the refusal, when most other mechanical issues (where I'm sure the crew and most passengers would refuse to fly) do not?
Mar 19, 2018, 8:27 pm
#11
Moderator, Air Canada; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE MM, FB Plat, WS Plat, BA Silver, DL GM, Marriott Plat, Hilton Gold, Accor Silver
Posts: 16,744
Mar 19, 2018, 8:32 pm
#12
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: PHL, NYC, DC
Posts: 9,708
Boarding now. Per captain: Lock wasn't working. They were actually trying to get relief from Transport Canada but before that came through engineering solved the problem. So maybe the paranoia can be gotten around - but then the bureaucracy kicks in!
Maybe avoid fin 505 for a while, doesn't bad luck come in threes?
Maybe avoid fin 505 for a while, doesn't bad luck come in threes?
Sorry things didnt go well with you.
I suspect the dispatcher have limited words to put in..... Can't be an essay, and ultimately the crew cannot sign off and fly the plane, therefore "Crew Refusal"
Mar 19, 2018, 8:43 pm
#13
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: YVR - MILLS Waypoint (It's the third house on the left)
Programs: AC*SE100K, wood level status in various other programs
Posts: 6,216
Better yet, food carts loaded with nothing but Barramundi. That'd keep the bad guys away.
Mar 19, 2018, 9:55 pm
#14
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,934
United's Summer Of Hell, Story? - Airliners.net
A320 Is Not Allowed To Fly Without APU? - Airliners.net
Question About Letting Brakes Cool - Airliners.net
Mar 19, 2018, 10:16 pm
#15
Join Date: May 2012
Location: BKK/SIN/YYZ/YUL
Programs: DL, AC, Bonvoy, Accor, Hilton
Posts: 2,917
Umm, isn't a good thing when the pilot says safety first? I don't care if some think it's overkill, I just give thanks the crew said no. I like a crew that pays attention to detail. My life has value as does theirs and the other pax onboard.