R space oddity / 2017 IKK devaluation?
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#63
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I highly doubt it.
With this, and a 15 minute hold for a Concierge two days ago, clearly SE is becoming worthless in 2017. They seem to be doing everything they can to decimate the program, and in the absence of any confirmation from 'them' as to otherwise, I just assume deceitful purposes.
With this, and a 15 minute hold for a Concierge two days ago, clearly SE is becoming worthless in 2017. They seem to be doing everything they can to decimate the program, and in the absence of any confirmation from 'them' as to otherwise, I just assume deceitful purposes.
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IKK tends to follow R space, and R space is a great indicator, but R1 does not guarantee IKK is available, and R0 does not guarantee it is not.
I do not believe Ben was aware of the current issue when he sent that email, and responded to the question asked.
I highly doubt it.
With this, and a 15 minute hold for a Concierge two days ago, clearly SE is becoming worthless in 2017. They seem to be doing everything they can to decimate the program, and in the absence of any confirmation from 'them' as to otherwise, I just assume deceitful purposes.
With this, and a 15 minute hold for a Concierge two days ago, clearly SE is becoming worthless in 2017. They seem to be doing everything they can to decimate the program, and in the absence of any confirmation from 'them' as to otherwise, I just assume deceitful purposes.
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We all know that doesn't equate 1:1 despite some people insisting that it does. In the past it was used as a very good rule of thumb to guess the chance of getting a priority reward and it worked well.
AC is looking into it. Let's give them the room to do it and see what gets kicked back to us.:-:
Then we can continue complaining bitterly (or not).
We all seem to agree that there is an issue here. AC is getting to the bottom of it. AFAIK there has been no change to the program to precipitate this so our best guess is an IT glitch. Perhaps that bidding for upgrade program, perhaps the program reset for 2017--who knows. Lots of room for speculation but nothing concrete other than J bookings domestically have virtually disappeared.
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Perhaps Aeroplan needs to modify their website:
MYTH: Priority awards can only be booked by phone.
FACT: Priority rewards can neither be booked by phone nor online.
Maybe the priority counter will still start at 10 but will now be used to track something else. 10 prioritized phone calls a year? 10 AC metal YQ waivers?
MYTH: Priority awards can only be booked by phone.
FACT: Priority rewards can neither be booked by phone nor online.
Maybe the priority counter will still start at 10 but will now be used to track something else. 10 prioritized phone calls a year? 10 AC metal YQ waivers?
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Perhaps Aeroplan needs to modify their website:
MYTH: Priority awards can only be booked by phone.
FACT: Priority rewards can neither be booked by phone nor online.
Maybe the priority counter will still start at 10 but will now be used to track something else. 10 prioritized phone calls a year? 10 AC metal YQ waivers?
MYTH: Priority awards can only be booked by phone.
FACT: Priority rewards can neither be booked by phone nor online.
Maybe the priority counter will still start at 10 but will now be used to track something else. 10 prioritized phone calls a year? 10 AC metal YQ waivers?
#70
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AC Finally acknowledges the problem, officially
https://twitter.com/ACAltitude/statu...70649657683968
https://twitter.com/ACAltitude/statu...70649657683968
If they send me their address, I will send them a dictionary. Free of charge, as long as they promise to use it.
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Just sayin'.
So for me, it is all.
I also find it interesting that the "technical difficulty" always goes in favour of the airline. If it is really a technical difficulty and not a "oh $hit we got caught" how come there is *never* increased inventory?
At the end of the day, it may well be a glitch, but I suspect I am less inclined to accept that explanation than you are. Nothing wrong with that either.
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It is also impacting Y bookings for me.
Just sayin'.
So for me, it is all.
I also find it interesting that the "technical difficulty" always goes in favour of the airline. If it is really a technical difficulty and not a "oh $hit we got caught" how come there is *never* increased inventory?
At the end of the day, it may well be a glitch, but I suspect I am less inclined to accept that explanation than you are. Nothing wrong with that either.
Just sayin'.
So for me, it is all.
I also find it interesting that the "technical difficulty" always goes in favour of the airline. If it is really a technical difficulty and not a "oh $hit we got caught" how come there is *never* increased inventory?
At the end of the day, it may well be a glitch, but I suspect I am less inclined to accept that explanation than you are. Nothing wrong with that either.
#74
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I have been purchasing Y IKK. Don't you remember the technical difficulty that allowed some people to buy J FPs at 10%? If any flights were booked on that pass, prior to AC correcting it, they honored the flight. Some people received an extra bonus in their Altitude packages in 2016 because of a technical difficulty. Just sayin' I think that AC's statements are more accurate than the ones you are currently making.
But then again, AC's statement on IKK is that availability may be reduced "on certain routes and certain dates". Which, if you are located in YYC, means the vast majority or routes and the vast majority of dates that are overseas. I know that it would be crazy for them to actually be clear, specific, and complete, wouldn't it? So again, you say potatoe, I say potatoh. If AC didn't consistently fudge, and didn't consistently have poor communication (see innumerable threads here) then perhaps it would be reasonable to cut them some slack and treat this as a one off. IMO, they do, and they do, and so I won't. YMMV.
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Confirmed by Ben Lipsey in an email this week and reported on another thread:
"I should also mention that many of the consumer tools used to check inventory (e.g. ExpertFlyer) are not actually able to search for true IKK availability, assuming you are simply searching for R class, as Aeroplan uses a different system that checks based on different criteria, so I might be careful about drawing conclusions based on that alone."
Availability has indeed shrunk dramatically recently.
"I should also mention that many of the consumer tools used to check inventory (e.g. ExpertFlyer) are not actually able to search for true IKK availability, assuming you are simply searching for R class, as Aeroplan uses a different system that checks based on different criteria, so I might be careful about drawing conclusions based on that alone."
Availability has indeed shrunk dramatically recently.