How is AC 824/825 YYZ-AMS doing?
May 23, 2016, 8:47 pm
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How is AC 824/825 YYZ-AMS doing?
So I usually book KLM but this time decided to try out the newer AC nonstop YYZ to AMS because I need some aeroplan for my future RTW. My flight isnt until December (on a 767 but this summer is A330) but I am somewhat leary/nervous of how long AC will keep this flight. So my question is how is this flight doing for AC and will it be around for a while? Or Perhaps even Rouged?
Considering TS,KL,AC and OR all fly nonstop there is ground to be worried, non?
Considering TS,KL,AC and OR all fly nonstop there is ground to be worried, non?
May 23, 2016, 8:53 pm
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So I usually book KLM but this time decided to try out the newer AC nonstop YYZ to AMS because I need some aeroplan for my future RTW. My flight isnt until December (on a 767 but this summer is A330) but I am somewhat leary/nervous of how long AC will keep this flight. So my question is how is this flight doing for AC and will it be around for a while? Or Perhaps even Rouged?
Considering TS,KL,AC and OR all fly nonstop there is ground to be worried, non?
Considering TS,KL,AC and OR all fly nonstop there is ground to be worried, non?
I don't know of a single FTer who works in RM at AC. Ergo, it's impossible to find the answer to your question.
May 24, 2016, 8:22 am
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I operate this route year-round and while I've been known to be wrong I don't see either scenario happening (being Rouged or Cancelled). Upon the start up of Rouge I would have predicted that YYZ-AMS would have been one of the very first assigned ACR routes. Not so. By all accounts the route is doing well against the stronghold that KL has at AMS. My last rotation on the A330 - 100% and 99% load factors respectively.
Look at MAD. Short seasonal window of operation. Non-Rouged and this year upgauged to 787 daily. You never know.
Look at MAD. Short seasonal window of operation. Non-Rouged and this year upgauged to 787 daily. You never know.
May 24, 2016, 8:59 am
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I operate this route year-round and while I've been known to be wrong I don't see either scenario happening (being Rouged or Cancelled). Upon the start up of Rouge I would have predicted that YYZ-AMS would have been one of the very first assigned ACR routes. Not so. By all accounts the route is doing well against the stronghold that KL has at AMS. My last rotation on the A330 - 100% and 99% load factors respectively.
I don't think AC will close shop in AMS, but if Rouge gets the nod to take over, it would not be a surprise at all IMO.
May 25, 2016, 3:53 pm
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I flew that route just this last weekend. Don't know about the back but the front was full. It was the A330.
And the entire crew was fantastic, particularly the SD which was simply outstanding. He put a smile on everyone's face ^^.
I had a nice chat with the route supervisor that was on my flight; certainly an indication that AC is assessing this route but I don't think it would be for a downgrade.
Have fun in AMS !
And the entire crew was fantastic, particularly the SD which was simply outstanding. He put a smile on everyone's face ^^.
I had a nice chat with the route supervisor that was on my flight; certainly an indication that AC is assessing this route but I don't think it would be for a downgrade.
Have fun in AMS !
May 26, 2016, 9:03 pm
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Thanks everyone for the input. Just one thing i would mention is that just because it is full doesnt equate to profitability. KL always has 2 flights in the summer and it looks like they have the 787 coming this summer too. Looking forward to compare AC and KL this winter.
Sep 20, 2016, 11:06 pm
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Flying AMS-YYZ (AC 825) in April. I wonder what's happening on April 13 as economy will be sold out soon already, if you preview the seat availability. They could probably fill an economy section on a 77W that day with the way it is selling 7 months ahead.
Sep 21, 2016, 9:49 pm
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Calin is trying to get permission to add more Rouge plans from the pilots.