Air Canada Altitude 2016 program for 2017 status
Nov 23, 2015, 12:29 pm
#62
Join Date: May 2012
Location: YOW
Programs: UA*1K, Marriott Titanium (LTP), Hilton Gold, Hertz PC
Posts: 1,665
It looks like FP's purchases last year, but valid in 2016, won't count towards AQD, but only AQM/AQS. From the wording, I take it that only NEW FP purchases as of January 1st, 2016, will count towards AQD.
And man, I'm starting to regret the $196 BOS-YYZ-CDG-YYZ-BOS flights, since that is just pennies against the AQD.
And man, I'm starting to regret the $196 BOS-YYZ-CDG-YYZ-BOS flights, since that is just pennies against the AQD.
Nov 23, 2015, 12:29 pm
#63
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 67
Because while two people can have the same $ spend, one can be wildly profitable, while the other barely breaks even.
I assume that with $12K per year you fly a lot of low Y fares? Or very short routes? There is probably no comparing between the margin of a Tango and that of a P fare.
I assume that with $12K per year you fly a lot of low Y fares? Or very short routes? There is probably no comparing between the margin of a Tango and that of a P fare.
Nov 23, 2015, 12:30 pm
#64
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 83
LHR-JNB is available as an AC codeshare, so as long as you book it as such, should earn AQD, no?
My January YYZ-CDG-IST-JNB-IST-YYZ is outta luck except for YYZ-CDG and IST-YYZ, though.... while it's all on an 014 ticket, the TK flights aren't AC codeshares, I don't believe. Certainly weren't booked as such. That's somewhat disappointing.
My January YYZ-CDG-IST-JNB-IST-YYZ is outta luck except for YYZ-CDG and IST-YYZ, though.... while it's all on an 014 ticket, the TK flights aren't AC codeshares, I don't believe. Certainly weren't booked as such. That's somewhat disappointing.
As well as raising the bar for the short-haulers, this change effectively reduces competition for AC from its own *A partners. Much more than the AC metal requirement, is my instinct.
Nov 23, 2015, 12:30 pm
#65
Join Date: May 2012
Location: YOW
Programs: UA*1K, Marriott Titanium (LTP), Hilton Gold, Hertz PC
Posts: 1,665
Nov 23, 2015, 12:31 pm
#66
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: sqrt(-united states of apologist)
Programs: *$ Green
Posts: 5,403
They did it. Great, but they're also gonna lose money. I won't chase an AC flight anymore if AA is cheaper, which it often is. I guess they figure that the benefit is greater, since they earn no money on a UA fare but they give benefits away for those people.
Personally I was fine with the metal requirement, both in practice and for myself. But the jump from $9k to $20k is a bit ridiculous imo.
Personally I was fine with the metal requirement, both in practice and for myself. But the jump from $9k to $20k is a bit ridiculous imo.
I could've made E75K this year, but decided to spend my cash dollar billz elsewhere for better value, as everyone should.
Nov 23, 2015, 12:33 pm
#69
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: sqrt(-united states of apologist)
Programs: *$ Green
Posts: 5,403
Nov 23, 2015, 12:33 pm
#70
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 74
My impression is that all 014 tickets will count toward AQD regardless of metal. I cant see how you could split up a fare that involves codeshares to figure out the revenue for each segment. I am thinking of two cases (from my flying) that would look quite different under this new system.
YYZ-SFO-AKL return. Ticketed with NZ, YYZ-SFO on AC metal. This year the 4500 miles were a big factor in making the minimum AC miles. Can't ticket this on 014 (I think) so no help with AQD. Big loss.
YYZ-FRA-ATH return etc. 014 stock, FRA-ATH on LH. This would not have counted for AQM but will now count for AQD. Some gain.
OK, now realise I am wrong. First example, YYZ-SFO even ticketed on NZ would count, though I wonder how much.
YYZ-SFO-AKL return. Ticketed with NZ, YYZ-SFO on AC metal. This year the 4500 miles were a big factor in making the minimum AC miles. Can't ticket this on 014 (I think) so no help with AQD. Big loss.
YYZ-FRA-ATH return etc. 014 stock, FRA-ATH on LH. This would not have counted for AQM but will now count for AQD. Some gain.
OK, now realise I am wrong. First example, YYZ-SFO even ticketed on NZ would count, though I wonder how much.
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Nov 23, 2015, 12:33 pm
#71
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ottawa
Programs: AC MM SE; SPG Plat; Hilton Gold
Posts: 247
So next year will be the end of being SE for me. $20,000 on AC metal is too steep. I have hung on to SE for 2 years past retirement paying about $15,000 / yr total spend (probably about 2/3 to AC), but the new goal of $20,000 to AC is now clearly not worth trying for .
What do other airlines set the bar at? I think i recall reading it was a lot less.
And once i am no longer SE i expect my travel paterns will change drastically.
- probably will still do an annual africa trip so long as the cheap J fares that come out in the spring last. But i can now use one world who usually start these fares with *A matching later with more restrictions sometimes.
- no more upgrades from PE on the HKG flights (i was doing 2 of these per year ) and i cannot imagine doing the trip in economy, so snorkeling trips to Caribean now instead of Asia unless i can find J deals
-- i am about 180,000 miles short of being a 2mm and may give a slight preferance to AC flights to get that benefit to give to my daughter, but i am not sure.
First SPG taken by Mariott (and i am concerned there) and now this . Not a good week.
What do other airlines set the bar at? I think i recall reading it was a lot less.
And once i am no longer SE i expect my travel paterns will change drastically.
- probably will still do an annual africa trip so long as the cheap J fares that come out in the spring last. But i can now use one world who usually start these fares with *A matching later with more restrictions sometimes.
- no more upgrades from PE on the HKG flights (i was doing 2 of these per year ) and i cannot imagine doing the trip in economy, so snorkeling trips to Caribean now instead of Asia unless i can find J deals
-- i am about 180,000 miles short of being a 2mm and may give a slight preferance to AC flights to get that benefit to give to my daughter, but i am not sure.
First SPG taken by Mariott (and i am concerned there) and now this . Not a good week.
Nov 23, 2015, 12:34 pm
#72
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Somewhere between YXU and YYZ
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium Hilton Diamond AC*75K
Posts: 618
And with the disproportionate spend required for SE, the benefits better be more attractive.
But we all know they will just get enhanced less than the other tiers.
Someone else also mentioned, why not just go pure spend? Why bother with AQM and AQS.
If I take approx. 25 Flex flights from YYZ-YVR I would likely hit that spend, but unless I connect, I won't hit the AQS. I can hit that spend which is important to AC, why not let me do it without the hassle of connecting?
Nov 23, 2015, 12:36 pm
#75
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: YYG
Programs: Aeroplan 50K, Club Accor Gold
Posts: 441
For eligible Unlimited Flight Passes, your AQD will be credited upon payment of your monthly installment, similarly to how we credit your AQM. The total amount of AQD which you will receive will correspond to the price paid for your Unlimited Flight Pass, before sales taxes.
For eligible Corporate Flight Passes where there is more than one traveller, the AQD value will be credited to the person who travels, not to the purchaser.
I would assume that this means the value of each flight is applied when the flight is taken or the money is received.