Switching from AC to UA
#31
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Are you really sure they get upgraded all the time? Folks on the UA forum do not report that.
Many factors influence upgrades. Not the least the routes/airlines you fly, status, fare booking class and more.
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AC vs ??? and ??? vs UA has been asked many times before
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/infor...help-here.html
The grass in not always greener on the other side
Many factors influence upgrades. Not the least the routes/airlines you fly, status, fare booking class and more.
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AC vs ??? and ??? vs UA has been asked many times before
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/infor...help-here.html
The grass in not always greener on the other side
#32
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Are you really sure they get upgraded all the time? Folks on the UA forum do not report that.
Many factors influence upgrades. Not the least the routes/airlines you fly, status, fare booking class and more.
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AC vs ??? and ??? vs UA has been asked many times before
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/infor...help-here.html
The grass in not always greener on the other side
Perhaps. But the grass seems to keep getting browner on this side of the fence.
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
.....A few friends are with United Air and they get upgraded ALL THE TIME because of their status which is equivalent to mine with AC. Has anyone switch from Air Canada to United?
What's the experience like? I'm seriously sick of AC with the stunt they pull and treating SE like any economy class customers.
What's the experience like? I'm seriously sick of AC with the stunt they pull and treating SE like any economy class customers.
Many factors influence upgrades. Not the least the routes/airlines you fly, status, fare booking class and more.
.
AC vs ??? and ??? vs UA has been asked many times before
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/infor...help-here.html
The grass in not always greener on the other side
#33
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When was the last time any ffp had a change that was significantly better for the freq flyer?
#34
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I suspect this year is the same. With the eup promos and the lack of news at this point, I suspect something good is coming, for us.
#35
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I'm a YYC based flier. Made the switch to UA a couple of years ago when aeroplan points became too difficult to use and I began doing a lot more US travel for work and personal. In addition to what everybody else has posted here, I would add:
1. UA earns miles on revenue rather than miles. You might want to do the math before you switch, especially since the Canadian dollar has taken a massive hit which gives you fewer USD when miles are calculated
2. I find the same day change feature awesome. I generally don't have to worry about long layovers (particularly on the way back from SYD - my regular commute) because 90% of the time I can same day change into the flight I want. Usually it's available on the app, but otherwise I've found the airport staff can generally do it for you regardless of the fare class.
3. United miles are way easier to use than aeroplan.
4. Being on UA means you aren't forced onto AC when flying domestic in Canada. The miles from AC domestic are so minimal that it's often not worth bothering with. so it opens up a bit of freedom to choose WS when that option is more convenient without really sacrificing anything.
5. Upgrades out of YYC seem to be pretty good. I'm at about 20% this year as a gold. That's good enough for me, I'm not fussy.
1. UA earns miles on revenue rather than miles. You might want to do the math before you switch, especially since the Canadian dollar has taken a massive hit which gives you fewer USD when miles are calculated
2. I find the same day change feature awesome. I generally don't have to worry about long layovers (particularly on the way back from SYD - my regular commute) because 90% of the time I can same day change into the flight I want. Usually it's available on the app, but otherwise I've found the airport staff can generally do it for you regardless of the fare class.
3. United miles are way easier to use than aeroplan.
4. Being on UA means you aren't forced onto AC when flying domestic in Canada. The miles from AC domestic are so minimal that it's often not worth bothering with. so it opens up a bit of freedom to choose WS when that option is more convenient without really sacrificing anything.
5. Upgrades out of YYC seem to be pretty good. I'm at about 20% this year as a gold. That's good enough for me, I'm not fussy.
#36
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So the one thing I see in common from people saying "I switched to UA and it's awesome!" are that their primary destinations are to the US.
YOW-YYZ-usa became YOW-EWR-usa. No real change.
If you're flying to the US from Canada, then UA may be a better option.
If you're flying internationally from Canada and don't mind transiting through the US (keeping in mind this is not feasible for everyone), UA may be a better option.
But if you're flying on routes that are best served by AC, then UA is unlikely to be the better option.
My advice is pick the airline that has the best service on your routes, and then pick the frequent flyer program run by the airline you will fly most often.
YOW-YYZ-usa became YOW-EWR-usa. No real change.
If you're flying to the US from Canada, then UA may be a better option.
If you're flying internationally from Canada and don't mind transiting through the US (keeping in mind this is not feasible for everyone), UA may be a better option.
But if you're flying on routes that are best served by AC, then UA is unlikely to be the better option.
My advice is pick the airline that has the best service on your routes, and then pick the frequent flyer program run by the airline you will fly most often.
#37
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My name certainly climbs higher on the upgrade list on United flights to / from Canada, than it does on purely domestic United routings.
I suspect there are fewer Americans-with-MP-status on those routes, and fewer Canadians-with-MP-status as well.
#38
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Actually, it's a significant change.
First. From YOW UA flies to EWR, IAD and ORD. Flying to EWR any time after 12 noon is a crap shoot. Flying to EWR in the early morning is generally no worse than flying to YYZ, then connecting in EWR (which by then is often after 12 noon) IAD is generally easy moving. ORD is no better, no worse than connecting in YYZ domestic.
Second. Flying YOW-YYZ-US often means a third flight. Eliminating that third flight is a significant time-saver, plus reduces the chances of missed cnx etc.
Third. Time saved.
Four. Reduction from 2 to 1 of security clearance procedures and lineups.
First. From YOW UA flies to EWR, IAD and ORD. Flying to EWR any time after 12 noon is a crap shoot. Flying to EWR in the early morning is generally no worse than flying to YYZ, then connecting in EWR (which by then is often after 12 noon) IAD is generally easy moving. ORD is no better, no worse than connecting in YYZ domestic.
Second. Flying YOW-YYZ-US often means a third flight. Eliminating that third flight is a significant time-saver, plus reduces the chances of missed cnx etc.
Third. Time saved.
Four. Reduction from 2 to 1 of security clearance procedures and lineups.
#39
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787 is actually 17.3x31"
I'm wondering how many times someone can actually say AC seating = rouge before their head explodes.
#40
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Switching from AC to UA
I made the switch recently from AC to UA. Mostly because my work has changed and I am now based in IAH. However, even given that IAH is a fortress hub, I still get more upgrades than I would get on AC. At some point with AC, you will run out of upgrade credits. With UA, anything in North America is essentially just given away if you have status. I'm only Gold and I have a 50% upgrade success rate. Sometimes days before I even check in.
Note that I could stick with AC, because most of my miles are related to trips to go back to Canada. But it just no longer made sense for me and I'm now a happy UA customer for the time being.
Note that I could stick with AC, because most of my miles are related to trips to go back to Canada. But it just no longer made sense for me and I'm now a happy UA customer for the time being.
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#44
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UA Domestic F is basically mediocre at best. By giving it away to frequent flyers it devalues it more. I can often buy UA Domestic F for little more than Flex on many destinations.
AC has chosen to make people pay. I agree with this. If you want to sit up front. Pay or stay in the back. I don't believe because one flies a lot they automatically deserve a seat up front. That leads to a major atmosphere of entitlement that is already rampant among frequent flyers.
So basically UA offers more opportunities to get upgraded to a mediocre J. If that is what one wants, then UA is the better programme for them. Just don't expect J (Domestic F) cabins to get bigger or any major improvements in food for these flights. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
#45
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I hear this a lot on the AC forum, and I dispute it. I don't have the depth and breadth of many here, but with my experience with AC J YYZ - YVR isn't a lot different than UA J ORD - YVR.
Sure the AC food may be marginally better, but after that?
What am I not seeing?
Sure the AC food may be marginally better, but after that?
What am I not seeing?