wow AC is using the 777-300 yyz-HKG
Dec 17, 2014, 1:21 pm
#1
Suspended
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto YYZ UA-1K 1MM,QFgold
Programs: Royal Ambassador/ SPG Platinum 75/Marriott gold
Posts: 14,283
wow AC is using the 777-300 yyz-HKG
interesting AC has got the 777-300 doing the yyz-HKG nonstop flight at least on Dec 22/23.
I guess CX has taught them the 777-300 planes can make it. This is a great way of increasing capacity on this route. Lets hope AC CANNOT figure out how to put the 777HD on the same route.
I wonder how long till YVR-SYD gets the 777-300?
I guess CX has taught them the 777-300 planes can make it. This is a great way of increasing capacity on this route. Lets hope AC CANNOT figure out how to put the 777HD on the same route.
I wonder how long till YVR-SYD gets the 777-300?
Dec 17, 2014, 1:35 pm
#2
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC E50K (*G) WS Gold | SPG/Fairmont Plat Hilton/Hyatt Diamond Marriott Silver | National Exec Elite
Posts: 19,284
IIRC there was some dissent on one of the threads with Ben where they talked about increasing the MTOW of the 777-300ER so that it could fly farther to allow AC to fly YVR SYD. The dissent came from the discussion that the 777-300's would become denser post the retrofit...I may be way off base but I faintly recall something along these lines.
Dec 17, 2014, 1:43 pm
#4
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
interesting AC has got the 777-300 doing the yyz-HKG nonstop flight at least on Dec 22/23.
I guess CX has taught them the 777-300 planes can make it. This is a great way of increasing capacity on this route. Lets hope AC CANNOT figure out how to put the 777HD on the same route.
I wonder how long till YVR-SYD gets the 777-300?
I guess CX has taught them the 777-300 planes can make it. This is a great way of increasing capacity on this route. Lets hope AC CANNOT figure out how to put the 777HD on the same route.
I wonder how long till YVR-SYD gets the 777-300?
Dec 17, 2014, 2:00 pm
#6
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
AC tried to teach CX they could make it with all seats filled and actual belly cargo if they used the appropriate longer range aircraft.
Cathay decided a smarter option was to keep pouring money into a dedicated Freighter fleet to fly around the world (including Toronto) in the face of plummeting cargo rates.
Cathay decided a smarter option was to keep pouring money into a dedicated Freighter fleet to fly around the world (including Toronto) in the face of plummeting cargo rates.
Dec 17, 2014, 2:06 pm
#7
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 718
Dec 17, 2014, 2:11 pm
#8
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
YYZ is expensive with some costs linked to MTOW.
There was no point in paying fees based on an MTOW that was not required in operation with their 77Ls taking ULH routes. Believe their 77Ws were rated to ~ 740K IIRC?
Adding seats to the 77W and sending them on longer missions mean AC now needs all the lift and will now pay even more in/out of YYZ on their 77W.
Dec 17, 2014, 2:32 pm
#9
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
Dec 17, 2014, 2:34 pm
#10
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
All 77Ws are created equal.
YYZ is expensive with some costs linked to MTOW.
There was no point in paying fees based on an MTOW that was not required in operation with their 77Ls taking ULH routes. Believe their 77Ws were rated to ~ 740K IIRC?
Adding seats to the 77W and sending them on longer missions mean AC now needs all the lift and will now pay even more in/out of YYZ on their 77W.
YYZ is expensive with some costs linked to MTOW.
There was no point in paying fees based on an MTOW that was not required in operation with their 77Ls taking ULH routes. Believe their 77Ws were rated to ~ 740K IIRC?
Adding seats to the 77W and sending them on longer missions mean AC now needs all the lift and will now pay even more in/out of YYZ on their 77W.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1244...ild-global-hub
Dec 17, 2014, 3:59 pm
#13
Suspended
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto YYZ UA-1K 1MM,QFgold
Programs: Royal Ambassador/ SPG Platinum 75/Marriott gold
Posts: 14,283
AC tried to teach CX they could make it with all seats filled and actual belly cargo if they used the appropriate longer range aircraft.
Cathay decided a smarter option was to keep pouring money into a dedicated Freighter fleet to fly around the world (including Toronto) in the face of plummeting cargo rates.
Cathay decided a smarter option was to keep pouring money into a dedicated Freighter fleet to fly around the world (including Toronto) in the face of plummeting cargo rates.
Dec 17, 2014, 6:30 pm
#14
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: YVR - Vancouver, with most winter weekends in Whistler.
Programs: Aeroplan 35K, Alaska MVP, Marriott Titanium / Lifetime Platinum, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 4,609
I believe this is due to a maintenance issue for the 777-200 ER's on YVR-SYD. The 777-300's low densities are subbing in.
The 777-300's low densities are not flying full YVR-SYD as it affects the lessor range of this aircraft. As a result, it's doubtful we would see the high density version on this route as I don't think the range exists with the payload.
The 777-300's low densities are not flying full YVR-SYD as it affects the lessor range of this aircraft. As a result, it's doubtful we would see the high density version on this route as I don't think the range exists with the payload.
Dec 17, 2014, 6:39 pm
#15
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Never home.
Posts: 2,971
I believe this is due to a maintenance issue for the 777-200 ER's on YVR-SYD. The 777-300's low densities are subbing in.
The 777-300's low densities are not flying full YVR-SYD as it affects the lessor range of this aircraft. As a result, it's doubtful we would see the high density version on this route as I don't think the range exists with the payload.
The 777-300's low densities are not flying full YVR-SYD as it affects the lessor range of this aircraft. As a result, it's doubtful we would see the high density version on this route as I don't think the range exists with the payload.
The 77Ws are capable of flying 100% full YVR-SYD, no seats are blocked. They can haul a full load of passengers no problem, but occasionally cargo may need to be left behind. Only on days with the strongest winds would that be a possibility.