JNB and NBO in the works?
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They even have data from the LHR codeshare that they have with SAA (which I'm flying out tonight on).
I would really like them to make a business case out of this.
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Not a chance IMO. There's little doubt if AC adds SA, it will be YYZJNB. No a/c capability issues YYZ to SA, It's the return that's in question.
This is very similar to QF's DFW-SYD route. QF opted for BNE and more passengers/payload. Will AC opt for NBO/CPT or go at it non-stop?
Well ..... Assuming they even launch the route, that is.
This is very similar to QF's DFW-SYD route. QF opted for BNE and more passengers/payload. Will AC opt for NBO/CPT or go at it non-stop?
Well ..... Assuming they even launch the route, that is.
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On the other hand, your second guess is actually quite good.
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personally as someone with fam in CPT I would love to see a YYZ>JNB>CPT>YYZ triangle routing 3-4 times per week, that would be great.
I don't see AC flying into NBO (or anywhere in Africa outside of SA) I really don't.
I don't see AC flying into NBO (or anywhere in Africa outside of SA) I really don't.
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AC would do better going into CPT rather than JNB. Mornings at JNB are a zoo as three or four A380s, a half dozen 777s, and another half dozen 747s and a bunch of A330/340s all arrive between 5a and 9a! Immigration lines are epic. Compare with arriving at CPT where there are three or four wide bodies arriving between the same hours, I just strolled through immigration! Onward connections are easy to JNB and a few provincial towns.
Of course one of the problems with flights to SAfrica is that the planes sit on the ground all day losing money! Never know why someone from Europe doesn't fly a daytime flight down there, depart at 8a and arrive around 9p...then depart before midnight to get back to Europe by noon next day.
If AC had rights to CPT or even JNB via a European city (with 5th freedom rights) it could do a regular early evening departure from YYZ, get into LHR or FRA or MUC at dawn, provision the plane and depart by mid-morning. Return flight could be a mid-to-late afternoon flight back across the Atlantic giving high utilization for a 788. This is much like NZ flies to LHR via LAX, giving passengers a land break for a couple of hours in the mid-point terminal.
Of course one of the problems with flights to SAfrica is that the planes sit on the ground all day losing money! Never know why someone from Europe doesn't fly a daytime flight down there, depart at 8a and arrive around 9p...then depart before midnight to get back to Europe by noon next day.
If AC had rights to CPT or even JNB via a European city (with 5th freedom rights) it could do a regular early evening departure from YYZ, get into LHR or FRA or MUC at dawn, provision the plane and depart by mid-morning. Return flight could be a mid-to-late afternoon flight back across the Atlantic giving high utilization for a 788. This is much like NZ flies to LHR via LAX, giving passengers a land break for a couple of hours in the mid-point terminal.
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AC has lots of planes coming and they need new routes so JNB seems as good as any.
Also from the number of deals on JNB in business class for the last year from YYZ, makes you wonder if other airlines have been aware of AC interest?
KLM has had lots of $2500 business class sales to JNB from Vancouver Calgary and Toronto.
Also from the number of deals on JNB in business class for the last year from YYZ, makes you wonder if other airlines have been aware of AC interest?
KLM has had lots of $2500 business class sales to JNB from Vancouver Calgary and Toronto.
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AF and KLM have too many premium seats going empty into Africa, as well as being stung by EK and the other Gulf carriers across their route systems, so they've been deep discounting these routes to fill those seats, not to scare off AC. At the moment, things are fairly normal price-wise because there's considerable demand during the SAfrican summer, European/NAmerican winter.
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Of course one of the problems with flights to SAfrica is that the planes sit on the ground all day losing money! Never know why someone from Europe doesn't fly a daytime flight down there, depart at 8a and arrive around 9p...then depart before midnight to get back to Europe by noon next day.
If AC had rights to CPT or even JNB via a European city (with 5th freedom rights) it could do a regular early evening departure from YYZ, get into LHR or FRA or MUC at dawn, provision the plane and depart by mid-morning. Return flight could be a mid-to-late afternoon flight back across the Atlantic giving high utilization for a 788. This is much like NZ flies to LHR via LAX, giving passengers a land break for a couple of hours in the mid-point terminal.
If AC had rights to CPT or even JNB via a European city (with 5th freedom rights) it could do a regular early evening departure from YYZ, get into LHR or FRA or MUC at dawn, provision the plane and depart by mid-morning. Return flight could be a mid-to-late afternoon flight back across the Atlantic giving high utilization for a 788. This is much like NZ flies to LHR via LAX, giving passengers a land break for a couple of hours in the mid-point terminal.
AC wouldn't extend a flight from LHR/FRA/MUC to South Africa since day time flight don't work well and it'd be a long trip for the crew, more than a week (extra cost for hotels) and requires an extra plane for a flight that's not much more competitive than other one stop options which would lead me to think it's be better just let LH handle it from there.
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AF and KLM have too many premium seats going empty into Africa, as well as being stung by EK and the other Gulf carriers across their route systems, so they've been deep discounting these routes to fill those seats, not to scare off AC. At the moment, things are fairly normal price-wise because there's considerable demand during the SAfrican summer, European/NAmerican winter.
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AC has lots of planes coming and they need new routes so JNB seems as good as any.
Also from the number of deals on JNB in business class for the last year from YYZ, makes you wonder if other airlines have been aware of AC interest?
KLM has had lots of $2500 business class sales to JNB from Vancouver Calgary and Toronto.
Also from the number of deals on JNB in business class for the last year from YYZ, makes you wonder if other airlines have been aware of AC interest?
KLM has had lots of $2500 business class sales to JNB from Vancouver Calgary and Toronto.