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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: ~~9,091~~ -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)

Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)

North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)

North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017
-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)

North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100

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May 22, 2017, 1:32 pm

#211

24left

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rankourabu

Does anyone have a quote for YYZ-SEZ .... cannot get thru to Aeroplan...

13,750

May 22, 2017, 9:43 pm

#212

Vaguswarrior

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Strange question, KVS isn't helping and I haven't gotten an answer from AP. Looking for the MPM for YEG -> CUN I know it doesn't really fit the mini-RTW but it's part of a spreadsheet I'm building.

May 22, 2017, 11:09 pm

#213

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaguswarrior

Strange question, KVS isn't helping and I haven't gotten an answer from AP. Looking for the MPM for YEG -> CUN

There are no MPMs within North America.

May 22, 2017, 11:21 pm

#214

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

There are no MPMs within North America.

So I can route SFO-YVR-YYZ-LAS?

May 22, 2017, 11:33 pm

#215

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Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancow

So I can route SFO-YVR-YYZ-LAS?

If you find a Fare that allows such a routing, you can.

May 23, 2017, 6:04 am

#216

rankourabu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 24left

13,750

Thanks, that gets us a lot of options for stopovers.

Now, can we have LX back?

Jun 3, 2017, 6:54 am

#217

erik19283

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Posts: 668

Can anyone tell me where would be the furthest airport in Canada from ICN?

I'm trying to find a way to travel from ICN to MAD to YUL, then back to ICN, but would go anywhere else than YUL in Canada if necessary in order to make it work (I would simply redeem for a domestic flight once in Canada). Also, I would easily position in Japan for this. I tried from TPE, and couldn't find a workable itinerary. The only time I got something working was from HKG, but if possible I'd rather do it from ICN... going to HKG for 3 people would be a bit (too) expensive.

Last edited by erik19283; Jun 3, 2017 at 9:59 am

Jun 3, 2017, 7:54 am

#218

crimsona

Join Date: Jan 2011

Location: YVR to SEA

Posts: 2,532

Newfoundland, no?

Easier to use HKG as using it as a destination affects YQ calculations

Jun 4, 2017, 10:12 am

#219

flyer05

Join Date: Aug 2013

Location: YYZ, YUL, PEK

Posts: 429

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimsona

Newfoundland, no?

Easier to use HKG as using it as a destination affects YQ calculations

Due to the polar route both YYZ and YHZ are actually farther from ICN than YYT: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=icn-yyt;icn-yhz;icn-yyz

I'd point out that OZ flights departing ICN seem to be YQ-free as well as of recent, if that makes any difference.

Jun 5, 2017, 10:20 pm

#220

erik19283

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[QUOTE=flyer05;28401110]Due to the polar route both YYZ and YHZ are actually farther from ICN than YYT: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=icn-yyt;icn-yhz;icn-yyz

I'd point out that OZ flights departing ICN seem to be YQ-free as well as of recent, if that makes any difference.[/QUOTE]

That's great... now, I only need to find a way to make a stop at MAD (or somewhere else "around there") from ICN before ultimately arriving at YUL.

Any suggestions? All I could find always involved positioning in HKG; otherwise, I never had enough mileage to work with.

Incidentally, if this isn't the best place to post, please let me know.

Jun 7, 2017, 6:48 pm

#221

Rykoshet

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Posts: 289

Quick question. My routing of YYZ×SFO×ICN×BKK×SYD×AKL (OJ) WLG×SIN×NRT×YYZ is calculated at 17100 miles RT. Is that valid for NA-Oceania?

EDIT: I'll answer my own question. No. You're capped at about 14-15k miles.

That said, YYZ-EWR/JFK-ICN-SYD-AKL-HND-PEK-YYZ is valid. Only $950 in J

The AKL-HND leg is in a NZ 789 so I'm pretty pumped.

Last edited by Rykoshet; Jun 8, 2017 at 7:17 pm

Jun 13, 2017, 12:20 pm

#222

Canibus

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Anyone know how much for YUL-ATH?

Trying to see if the following is valid:

YUL-EWR-ZRH-CDG (stop)
CDG-DBV-ATH (stop and POT)
ATH-PRG(stop)
PRG-GVA-JFK/LGA-YUL

Jun 13, 2017, 12:44 pm

#223

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Canibus

Anyone know how much for YUL-ATH?

Trying to see if the following is valid:

YUL-EWR-ZRH-CDG (stop)
CDG-DBV-ATH (stop and POT)
ATH-PRG(stop)
PRG-GVA-JFK/LGA-YUL

Your outbound is within MPM+5%; return is within MPM:

[KVS Tool 8.5.0 - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: YUL-EWR-ZRH-CDG-DBV-ATH]

Code:

                                                                
CTY   DC   TPM   CUM   MPM  DC SUR  HGL   LWL   25M  XTRA       
YMQ 1                                                           
NYC 1 WH   319   319                                            
ZRH 2 AT  3919  4238  4462  AT  0M   224     0  5577     0      
PAR 2 EH   291  4529  4116  AT 15M   204     2  5145     0      
DBV 2 EH   876  5405  5166  AT  5M    19   239  6457     0      
ATH 2 EH   435  5840  5683  AT  5M   127   157  7103     0

[KVS Tool 8.5.0 - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: ATH-PRG-GVA-NYC-YUL]

Code:

                                                                
CTY   DC   TPM   CUM   MPM  DC SUR  HGL   LWL   25M  XTRA       
ATH 2                                                           
PRG 2 EH   968   968  1161  EH  0M   193     0  1451     0      
GVA 2 EH   466  1434  1292  EH 15M    51    13  1615     0      
NYC 1 AT  3853  5287  5914  AT  0M   627     0  7392     0      
YMQ 1 WH   319  5606  5683  AT  0M    77     0  7103     0

Jun 13, 2017, 10:18 pm

#224

erik19283

Join Date: Aug 2012

Posts: 668

Is MPM working again with Aeroplan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Your outbound is within MPM+5%; return is within MPM:

[KVS Tool 8.5.0 - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: YUL-EWR-ZRH-CDG-DBV-ATH]

Code:

                                                                
CTY   DC   TPM   CUM   MPM  DC SUR  HGL   LWL   25M  XTRA       
YMQ 1                                                           
NYC 1 WH   319   319                                            
ZRH 2 AT  3919  4238  4462  AT  0M   224     0  5577     0      
PAR 2 EH   291  4529  4116  AT 15M   204     2  5145     0      
DBV 2 EH   876  5405  5166  AT  5M    19   239  6457     0      
ATH 2 EH   435  5840  5683  AT  5M   127   157  7103     0

[KVS Tool 8.5.0 - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: ATH-PRG-GVA-NYC-YUL]

Code:

                                                                
CTY   DC   TPM   CUM   MPM  DC SUR  HGL   LWL   25M  XTRA       
ATH 2                                                           
PRG 2 EH   968   968  1161  EH  0M   193     0  1451     0      
GVA 2 EH   466  1434  1292  EH 15M    51    13  1615     0      
NYC 1 AT  3853  5287  5914  AT  0M   627     0  7392     0      
YMQ 1 WH   319  5606  5683  AT  0M    77     0  7103     0

Last edited by erik19283; Jun 14, 2017 at 4:23 am

Jun 18, 2017, 12:04 pm

#225

flyer05

Join Date: Aug 2013

Location: YYZ, YUL, PEK

Posts: 429

I called Aeroplan to ask for a bunch of MPMs recently, both for writing blog posts and planning some of my own trips.

NYC-PER 18633
YYC-PER 15374
YUL-PER 18164
YVR-MRU 16700
YVR-SEZ 14956
YYJ-MRU 16718
LAX-MRU 18356
SFO-MRU 17998
YVR-JNB 16362
LAX-JNB 16585
SFO-JNB 16863
PPT-CDG 16065
AKL-CDG 18952
BDA-PER 20444
PVG-EZE 20142
SIN-UIO 20279
YYC-CPH 7958
YUL-TYO 9071
YOW-OSA 9256

I'll add all of these to the wiki. I did learn something new though - it seems that MPMs aren't absolute. One agent said that there's a general MPM, and then slightly different variations if you want to route through a certain intermediate city. Usually the difference is very minor (about 10-20 miles).