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Old Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: 9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)


Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)


North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)



North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017

-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)


North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100




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Old Dec 2, 2014, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Eternity000
Out of curiosity how are you getting the max milleage info. If we call AP and ask for a destination will they give it to us?
Yes. feel free to volunteer an afternoon on the phone with AP spamming them with routes.
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Old Dec 2, 2014, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Eternity000
Out of curiosity how are you getting the max milleage info. If we call AP and ask for a destination will they give it to us?
That appears to be the case, yes. And I'm still working on my tool to put them all in there so we can browse/search them... sigh. Need more time in the day.
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Old Dec 6, 2014, 9:17 am
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Out of curiosity how are you getting the max milleage info. If we call AP and ask for a destination will they give it to us?
That's how I did it.
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Old Dec 8, 2014, 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
That appears to be the case, yes. And I'm still working on my tool to put them all in there so we can browse/search them... sigh. Need more time in the day.
Nim, you're a God amongst men!

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Old Dec 29, 2014, 8:32 am
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Didn't notice YYZ-BKK was on here, so called in on it. Of note, I'm pretty sure the agent said 11,905, and not the 11,055 quoted in the wiki. But don't want to change it in case I'm wrong.

Added YYZ-ICN/HKG/SIN to the Wiki as quoted to me.

Just noticed, according to GCM --

YYZ-FRA-NRT-SIN = 13,112, so over MPM.
YYZ-FRA-HND-SIN = 13,072, so perfectly acceptable.

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Old Dec 29, 2014, 8:50 am
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Does anyone know if YYZ-TPE-NRT/Haneda is valid?
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Old Dec 29, 2014, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Does anyone know if YYZ-TPE-NRT/Haneda is valid?

Great Circle Mapper says it is 8875 miles, so should be within the 9049 allowed for YYZ-NRT.

My question is how will you be able to find BR availability? Seems impossible these days.
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Old Dec 29, 2014, 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by mapleg
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My question is how will you be able to find BR availability? Seems impossible these days.
Those flights are full of penguins, that's why...
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Old Dec 29, 2014, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by mapleg
Great Circle Mapper says it is 8875 miles, so should be within the 9049 allowed for YYZ-NRT.

My question is how will you be able to find BR availability? Seems impossible these days.
One can dream... I'm going to try with the two weeks out strategy...
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Old Dec 30, 2014, 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
One can dream... I'm going to try with the two weeks out strategy...
Let me know how you make out on that one. I just looked at YYZ-TPE flights and could not find a single thing (using ANA tool). Nothing in the next 2 months, then I figured would check for later in the year,....still nothing. I know I would not find them on AE..but seems to be impossible to get these flights now.
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Old Jan 4, 2015, 12:47 pm
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Out of curiosity, aren't MPM's available from KVS or Expert Flyer? Couldn't someone with a subscription just take the data from there and make a spread sheet of it?
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Old Jan 4, 2015, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by seadog83
Out of curiosity, aren't MPM's available from KVS or Expert Flyer? Couldn't someone with a subscription just take the data from there and make a spread sheet of it?
Unfortunately, no longer. It used to work fine until about two months ago, when Aeroplab went and reinvented the wheel for some reason. The immediate fallout was the "new" routing engine which went and let us book multicity J for 50K anywhere, and multicity F for 70, but then it went on to break most normal routings because suddenly there's a "new" MPM that nobody seems to know. This is for Aeroplan only.
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Old Jan 4, 2015, 2:23 pm
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I guess I had the same question with formal MPMs, but why all the secrecy? They are in fact easy enough to get for free, you just have to make a phone call to aeroplan no? It just seems like it wastes the agents time entertaining heaps of questions about potential routes, as well as our time on the phone, not to mention hours wasted researching routes that can't be booked.
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Old Jan 5, 2015, 3:45 pm
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Just tried to book a NA to NZ tkt with a stop in IST. Rejected.

ITN was YOW-YUL-IST Stop IST KTM-BKK-SYD_CHC Destination. System rejected it. problem may have been the context via KTM ?

Also tried YOW-LHR-BKK-SGN Stop SGN-BKK-SYD-CHC was rejected because i am going through BKK twice. Since when is that a problem? Agent said it has always been like that??
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Old Jan 5, 2015, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Global guy
Also tried YOW-LHR-BKK-SGN Stop SGN-BKK-SYD-CHC was rejected because i am going through BKK twice. Since when is that a problem? Agent said it has always been like that??
Definitely hasn't always been like that. I flew through ZRH twice on a trip to Europe last year using points (admittedly prior to the MPM change) and, though the agent originally wavered on it, he booked it. The reason he wavered was about "doubling back" but, since it was within MPM (in the days when we could figure that out on our own), he put it through.

The only restriction for sure that I know of is not having a stopover twice in the same city.

If you've got the time, might be worth: a) calling again to get a different agent's response; b) insist to talk to a supervisor.
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