Why can't AC block next seat for SEs?
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Why can't AC block next seat for SEs?
Years ago Canadian was able to block seats for its top tier members. AC is not able to do this today.
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
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Years ago Canadian was able to block seats for its top tier members. AC is not able to do this today.
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
- Pay for a LMU (less revenue for AC)
- Pay for Business class from the beginning knowing that an empty neighbour seat is acceptable and "enough" for good enough comfort
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Great suggestion! SEs and other elites are permitted "preferred" seating but my understanding is that for those that have not chosen seat assignment due to Tango or other reasons, the usual middle "last choice" seats are assigned from front to back. A prior thread discussed this as my information. If AC assigned these seats from back to front, this would allow a passive "blocked" seat. This would allow true "preferential" seating and a preferred seat would only be filled if all the rear seats were filled first.
I did ask AC to block the middle seat on a previous flight when I was booked into J and the equipment was changed to non-J. I was not happy at the gate with the change but somehow my request was granted since the flight was not full (but pretty close).
I did ask AC to block the middle seat on a previous flight when I was booked into J and the equipment was changed to non-J. I was not happy at the gate with the change but somehow my request was granted since the flight was not full (but pretty close).
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I don't DISAGREE, when there's open seats this would be a great idea.
But let me pose this question to you. Let's say you've chosen 12C for free as an SE.
A couple is willing to PAY for 12B and 12A...you're not suggesting that AC deny this are you? That's literally throwing money away for them.
If there was no such thing as preferred seats this would be easier. Because as an SE you could just pick 12C they'd automatically block 12B (Assuming you got there first, they can't be kicking people out of seats they'd selected, free or not) and we'd move on. But with the pay-for program I don't know that this really works.
Maybe they could do this only for non-preferred seats, but how often would you really take a non-preferred seat?
But let me pose this question to you. Let's say you've chosen 12C for free as an SE.
A couple is willing to PAY for 12B and 12A...you're not suggesting that AC deny this are you? That's literally throwing money away for them.
If there was no such thing as preferred seats this would be easier. Because as an SE you could just pick 12C they'd automatically block 12B (Assuming you got there first, they can't be kicking people out of seats they'd selected, free or not) and we'd move on. But with the pay-for program I don't know that this really works.
Maybe they could do this only for non-preferred seats, but how often would you really take a non-preferred seat?
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As discussed in another thread, AC's IT is incapable of assigning your preferred seat selection (aisle vs window).
This has been discussed ad nauseum even in the current Bens thread. Blocking the middle seat would require some financial investment, money that could be better spent on executive bonuses. So, not going to happen.
BTW, LH does this for all Star Gold passengers.
This has been discussed ad nauseum even in the current Bens thread. Blocking the middle seat would require some financial investment, money that could be better spent on executive bonuses. So, not going to happen.
BTW, LH does this for all Star Gold passengers.
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I have not been on a flight in a long time that isn't full to the gills. It seems even less worth the IT investment to enable this when it's going to end up as only a theoretical block. Maybe I am flying all the wrong places...
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Years ago Canadian was able to block seats for its top tier members. AC is not able to do this today.
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
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Lufthansa is doing that for Senators and Hon Circle members. It usually works well. Of course since preferred seats are for sale this option is a bit trickier to implement.
I like the idea of assigning the empty seats from the back. A good compromise.
I like the idea of assigning the empty seats from the back. A good compromise.
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Years ago Canadian was able to block seats for its top tier members. AC is not able to do this today.
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
This is a shame and frankly an insult to top tier members who deserve something better. I am not talking about u/g to J, only to have more room and comfort in Y.
If Canadian could do it some 20 yrs ago, it is about time AC could do it today. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been on flights to be stuck with someone next to me when there are empty seats in other rows. It really pisses me off and makes me feel like a lesser customer despite my status of a long time SE and almost 2MM.
AC the time has come for this enhancement for your FF members!
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As some have alluded to, this is an IT issue. Seat assignments at check in are handled by DCS, which is a legacy system. We have looked into implementing this in the past, but it would actually be a major investment believe it or not (anything touching legacy IT systems always seems to be). It's not that we don't hear you guys, but rather that it's hard to make a solid business case to justify this kind of expense - i.e. sure, our Elite members would appreciate the change, but would it lead to incremental flying? Would revenues increase? I imagine many of you might deal with finance committees in your jobs, and ours is no different: they keep us honest.
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As some have alluded to, this is an IT issue. Seat assignments at check in are handled by DCS, which is a legacy system. We have looked into implementing this in the past, but it would actually be a major investment believe it or not (anything touching legacy IT systems always seems to be). It's not that we don't hear you guys, but rather that it's hard to make a solid business case to justify this kind of expense - i.e. sure, our Elite members would appreciate the change, but would it lead to incremental flying? Would revenues increase? I imagine many of you might deal with finance committees in your jobs, and ours is no different: they keep us honest.
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As some have alluded to, this is an IT issue. Seat assignments at check in are handled by DCS, which is a legacy system. We have looked into implementing this in the past, but it would actually be a major investment believe it or not (anything touching legacy IT systems always seems to be). It's not that we don't hear you guys, but rather that it's hard to make a solid business case to justify this kind of expense - i.e. sure, our Elite members would appreciate the change, but would it lead to incremental flying? Would revenues increase? I imagine many of you might deal with finance committees in your jobs, and ours is no different: they keep us honest.
But, if I make some presumptions, based on an average IT contract with IBM. It may be possible to bring back some of the IT changes in-house. Hiring a small IT team internally, tasked and focused to work only on minor improvements. Like this, ability to change all seats online, etc etc.
The salary cost of the team yearly may only be the cost of a couple IBM changes, so if you bundled them together as such there might be a business case for a much bigger improvement, and with Vancouver becoming a majour IT city there is the talent in Canada to do so.
But I'm really going out on a limb here and guessing because I just don't have enough info to make a post I am confident to stand behind here.