AC 838/839 Winter Changes; Air Canada drops Ottawa-Frankfurt flight for winter
#16
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Air Canada drops Ottawa-Frankfurt flight for winter
Air Canada is dropping its non-stop flights from Ottawa to Frankfurt, Germany for the winter season starting October 25, 2014.
An airline spokesman told CTV Ottawa in an email the decision to suspend the flight is due to lower travel demand from Ottawa to Europe during winter months.
Ottawa-Frankfurt service will resume March 28, 2015.
Read more: http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/air-canada-...#ixzz3C0S2aXWG
Too bad, I had this flight booked for November.
An airline spokesman told CTV Ottawa in an email the decision to suspend the flight is due to lower travel demand from Ottawa to Europe during winter months.
Ottawa-Frankfurt service will resume March 28, 2015.
Read more: http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/air-canada-...#ixzz3C0S2aXWG
Too bad, I had this flight booked for November.
#17
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That's certainly disappointing. It's not uncommon to see the frequency of some flights drop to 4-5 flights per week in winter, but I'm surprised there's not enough demand to fill a 763, especially since quite a few government folks book this flight year-round.
#19
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Ah yes, this route. I remember hearing about it a while back. Apparently it was a very important route for AC and Transport Canada. So important, apparently, that AC's CEO used it to illustrate the need for protecting AC.
And here we are four years later, with YEG-LHR and YOW-FRA reduced to seasonal services and a couple of thousand jobs at Aveos gone for good measure.
I'm sure there are perfectly legitimate reasons for these 'developments'. However, one cannot help but marvel at the cynicism involved: "Protect us to protect these routes...which we'll scrap for completely unrelated reasons whenever it suits us". It almost seems...dishonest.
I wonder if Transport Canada will hold them to account. One would expect that a transport authority that agrees to protect an airline on the basis of protecting certain routes, will notice - and take issue - with the erosion of those routes. Not that I expect them to.
Air Canada's Rovinescu cites Ottawa-Frankfurt as an example. "When you look at who travels on this flight, only 15% are people going between Ottawa and Frankfurt. The other 85% are connecting in Frankfurt to fly somewhere else. If another carrier siphons off even just the 15% headed for the Middle East, then the route is no longer viable."
I'm sure there are perfectly legitimate reasons for these 'developments'. However, one cannot help but marvel at the cynicism involved: "Protect us to protect these routes...which we'll scrap for completely unrelated reasons whenever it suits us". It almost seems...dishonest.
I wonder if Transport Canada will hold them to account. One would expect that a transport authority that agrees to protect an airline on the basis of protecting certain routes, will notice - and take issue - with the erosion of those routes. Not that I expect them to.
#20
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Ah yes, this route. I remember hearing about it a while back. Apparently it was a very important route for AC and Transport Canada. So important, apparently, that AC's CEO used it to illustrate the need for protecting AC.
And here we are four years later, with YEG-LHR and YOW-FRA reduced to seasonal services and a couple of thousand jobs at Aveos gone for good measure.
I'm sure there are perfectly legitimate reasons for these 'developments'. However, one cannot help but marvel at the cynicism involved: "Protect us to protect these routes...which we'll scrap for completely unrelated reasons whenever it suits us". It almost seems...dishonest.
I wonder if Transport Canada will hold them to account. One would expect that a transport authority that agrees to protect an airline on the basis of protecting certain routes, will notice - and take issue - with the erosion of those routes. Not that I expect them to.
And here we are four years later, with YEG-LHR and YOW-FRA reduced to seasonal services and a couple of thousand jobs at Aveos gone for good measure.
I'm sure there are perfectly legitimate reasons for these 'developments'. However, one cannot help but marvel at the cynicism involved: "Protect us to protect these routes...which we'll scrap for completely unrelated reasons whenever it suits us". It almost seems...dishonest.
I wonder if Transport Canada will hold them to account. One would expect that a transport authority that agrees to protect an airline on the basis of protecting certain routes, will notice - and take issue - with the erosion of those routes. Not that I expect them to.
There have been some changes since the flights you mentioned were introduced.
Iceland was granted open skies to Canada on a promise to fly year-round service to YHZ. This never materialized. YEG offered an incentive to FI to fly to YEG and unfortunately the YEG-tatlantic market could not support 2 players during the slow winter so we redeployed our asset to a more lucrative opportunity.
Canada unlike the US and many other countries does not mandate gvt employees to fly locally based airlines. The recently introduced increase in ON jet fuel tax does not help either.
#21
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Here is the thread that talk about this change:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...r-changes.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...r-changes.html
#22
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I always assumed the vast majority of government employees (both domestic and foreign) travelling between YOW and Europe/Africa/ME/certain parts of Asia would book the FRA/LHR-YOW flights operated by AC since:
(1) those are the only non-stop options between YOW and Europe
(2) any alternative routing via the US is far from convenient, especially since most flights are operated by regional jets
#23
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Interesting point.
I always assumed the vast majority of government employees (both domestic and foreign) travelling between YOW and Europe/Africa/ME/certain parts of Asia would book the FRA/LHR-YOW flights operated by AC since:
(1) those are the only non-stop options between YOW and Europe
(2) any alternative routing via the US is far from convenient, especially since most flights are operated by regional jets
I always assumed the vast majority of government employees (both domestic and foreign) travelling between YOW and Europe/Africa/ME/certain parts of Asia would book the FRA/LHR-YOW flights operated by AC since:
(1) those are the only non-stop options between YOW and Europe
(2) any alternative routing via the US is far from convenient, especially since most flights are operated by regional jets
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Thanks. I know about the bus service, but would have never thought that any government employees, especially those flying J, would ever consider that option due to the time wasted as well as the vastly inferior J products offered by AF/KL (though they're finally updating the product on some aircrafts).
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On a more positive note: It seems as if AC876/877 YYZ-FRA is operated by a 77L this winter. Is this confirmed?
If so, it's certainly an improvement compared to the 763 (and occasional 333) during the winter months a few years ago.
If so, it's certainly an improvement compared to the 763 (and occasional 333) during the winter months a few years ago.
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Interesting point.
I always assumed the vast majority of government employees (both domestic and foreign) travelling between YOW and Europe/Africa/ME/certain parts of Asia would book the FRA/LHR-YOW flights operated by AC since:
(1) those are the only non-stop options between YOW and Europe
(2) any alternative routing via the US is far from convenient, especially since most flights are operated by regional jets
I always assumed the vast majority of government employees (both domestic and foreign) travelling between YOW and Europe/Africa/ME/certain parts of Asia would book the FRA/LHR-YOW flights operated by AC since:
(1) those are the only non-stop options between YOW and Europe
(2) any alternative routing via the US is far from convenient, especially since most flights are operated by regional jets
(2) Govt travellers are entitled to business class if the total travel time exceeds a certain fixed length (8 or 9 hrs). Adding a connection may mean the difference between front or back of the bus.
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#27
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We don't ask for protection we ask for a level playing field.
There have been some changes since the flights you mentioned were introduced.
Iceland was granted open skies to Canada on a promise to fly year-round service to YHZ. This never materialized. YEG offered an incentive to FI to fly to YEG and unfortunately the YEG-tatlantic market could not support 2 players during the slow winter so we redeployed our asset to a more lucrative opportunity.
Canada unlike the US and many other countries does not mandate gvt employees to fly locally based airlines. The recently introduced increase in ON jet fuel tax does not help either.
There have been some changes since the flights you mentioned were introduced.
Iceland was granted open skies to Canada on a promise to fly year-round service to YHZ. This never materialized. YEG offered an incentive to FI to fly to YEG and unfortunately the YEG-tatlantic market could not support 2 players during the slow winter so we redeployed our asset to a more lucrative opportunity.
Canada unlike the US and many other countries does not mandate gvt employees to fly locally based airlines. The recently introduced increase in ON jet fuel tax does not help either.
Question for you: Did you ever receive a subsidy when you reintroduced YEG-LHR? Just asking.
Last edited by ProudEdmontonian; Aug 31, 2014 at 9:15 pm
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Nonetheless, I hear YEG is no gold mine either. UA terminating YEG-EWR.
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The master plan is that YEG shall remain forever captive through whatever means and all traffic ex-Canada must go through YYZ/YYC/YVR no matter what.
Yet the ingrates in YEG refuse to abide by the plan and fly YEG-YYC-LHR or preferably YEG-YYZ-everywhere in the world.
UA has slashed routes everywhere as they attempt to right the ship from the poor merger.
UA will be back in the spring on a seasonal basis.
Yet the ingrates in YEG refuse to abide by the plan and fly YEG-YYC-LHR or preferably YEG-YYZ-everywhere in the world.
Nonetheless, I hear YEG is no gold mine either. UA terminating YEG-EWR.
UA will be back in the spring on a seasonal basis.
Last edited by ProudEdmontonian; Aug 31, 2014 at 9:48 pm