Aeroplan Market Fares
Jan 7, 2014, 8:48 am
#46
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Jan 7, 2014, 3:21 pm
#47
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Jan 9, 2014, 8:11 am
#48
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: YHZ. Previously YYC
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Scamcharge varies on classic/market award.
Hi Everyone, A couple observations...
1) YHZ-YYT return is going for $220 ai on aircanada.com.
YHZ-YYT return on aeroplan for same flights is 15,000 miles and $165 in scam charges.
So this means I'm saving $50.00 but dishing out 15,000 putting the value on 15,000 at only $50 in this example.
I then clicked on "Market awards"
For the same flights as above it's now 20,000 aeroplan but the charges are only $67 now. A big difference from the Classic award. This values 20,000 at now $157.00
According to ae.com if you get distinction recognition the market fare can be 35% cheaper, so if this is the case why would you want Classic? wouldn't you always want to pick Market awards?
1) YHZ-YYT return is going for $220 ai on aircanada.com.
YHZ-YYT return on aeroplan for same flights is 15,000 miles and $165 in scam charges.
So this means I'm saving $50.00 but dishing out 15,000 putting the value on 15,000 at only $50 in this example.
I then clicked on "Market awards"
For the same flights as above it's now 20,000 aeroplan but the charges are only $67 now. A big difference from the Classic award. This values 20,000 at now $157.00
According to ae.com if you get distinction recognition the market fare can be 35% cheaper, so if this is the case why would you want Classic? wouldn't you always want to pick Market awards?
Jan 9, 2014, 8:57 am
#51
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Market fare is well not so market fare after all.
It seems there is a floor for "market fare" prices, so they will no longer ever be lower than classic rewards.
I looked up a YTZ-YUL ticket with different pricing on that date according to the flight selected, yet every single ticket was 10,000 at Market Fare.
I also decided to trial out booking a one way intra Asia award to use their new flexble policy of 50% one way award rates, guess what, they are still blocked! I don't remember ever seeing any footnotes on the posters advertising 50% one way awards.
Nothing AP does is ever consumer friendly nor transparent.
It seems there is a floor for "market fare" prices, so they will no longer ever be lower than classic rewards.
I looked up a YTZ-YUL ticket with different pricing on that date according to the flight selected, yet every single ticket was 10,000 at Market Fare.
I also decided to trial out booking a one way intra Asia award to use their new flexble policy of 50% one way award rates, guess what, they are still blocked! I don't remember ever seeing any footnotes on the posters advertising 50% one way awards.
Nothing AP does is ever consumer friendly nor transparent.
Jan 9, 2014, 9:16 am
#52
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I also decided to trial out booking a one way intra Asia award to use their new flexble policy of 50% one way award rates, guess what, they are still blocked! I don't remember ever seeing any footnotes on the posters advertising 50% one way awards.
Nothing AP does is ever consumer friendly nor transparent.
Nothing AP does is ever consumer friendly nor transparent.
Jan 9, 2014, 9:32 am
#53
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Canada
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Classic reward: 60,000 miles+$713,45
Market reward: 55,000 miles+$683,45
Of course, you should be booking UA at 60,000 miles+$300,15
Jan 9, 2014, 9:36 am
#54
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I always knew in the past that non-NA itineraries were unavailable for oneway, and knowing AP I suspected this would still be the case, but all the advertising of 50% oneway awards did get me hoping that they had aligned themselves with most other programmes that sensibly allow OW at 50% for any itinerary.
Jan 9, 2014, 9:39 am
#55
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Maybe the floor price for MF is only domestic/NA. There certainly does not seem to be any consistency of value of the miles under MF which I thought was its whole raison d'ętre in its now incarnation.
Jan 10, 2014, 5:02 pm
#56
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Jan 10, 2014, 7:36 pm
#57
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Somewhere between YXU and YYZ
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Market fare is well not so market fare after all.
It seems there is a floor for "market fare" prices, so they will no longer ever be lower than classic rewards.
I looked up a YTZ-YUL ticket with different pricing on that date according to the flight selected, yet every single ticket was 10,000 at Market Fare.
I also decided to trial out booking a one way intra Asia award to use their new flexble policy of 50% one way award rates, guess what, they are still blocked! I don't remember ever seeing any footnotes on the posters advertising 50% one way awards.
Nothing AP does is ever consumer friendly nor transparent.
It seems there is a floor for "market fare" prices, so they will no longer ever be lower than classic rewards.
I looked up a YTZ-YUL ticket with different pricing on that date according to the flight selected, yet every single ticket was 10,000 at Market Fare.
I also decided to trial out booking a one way intra Asia award to use their new flexble policy of 50% one way award rates, guess what, they are still blocked! I don't remember ever seeing any footnotes on the posters advertising 50% one way awards.
Nothing AP does is ever consumer friendly nor transparent.
I made the point earlier in the thread, it seems (on domestic flights at least) that AP has decided on a minimum amount of miles for a given ticket and regardless of whether someone has full dDiamond discount and there is a seat sale going on, the ticket will not go for less miles.
So again they ruined what could have been a compelling reason for someone to want Distinction status.
Jan 10, 2014, 7:38 pm
#58
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Exactly, you can't call something 'Market' fare if there is no difference in miles even though the cash price is different.
I made the point earlier in the thread, it seems (on domestic flights at least) that AP has decided on a minimum amount of miles for a given ticket and regardless of whether someone has full dDiamond discount and there is a seat sale going on, the ticket will not go for less miles.
So again they ruined what could have been a compelling reason for someone to want Distinction status.
I made the point earlier in the thread, it seems (on domestic flights at least) that AP has decided on a minimum amount of miles for a given ticket and regardless of whether someone has full dDiamond discount and there is a seat sale going on, the ticket will not go for less miles.
So again they ruined what could have been a compelling reason for someone to want Distinction status.
Jan 16, 2014, 8:44 am
#59
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I can definitely say that based on my research that Market Fare rewards are not based on the price of the ticket.
I did some sample bookings for San Diego and Cancun from YYZ.
On AC the price was approx. $700 for San Diego, and $600 for Cancun.
Market price offered was 37000 for SD and 47500 for Cancun.
Now these tickets have different ClassicRewards prices of 25000 and 40000, so I understand that the 'starting point' is different, but if the Market Fare rewards were truly market price based, it would not cost more miles for a ticket that costs less to buy - period.
I did some sample bookings for San Diego and Cancun from YYZ.
On AC the price was approx. $700 for San Diego, and $600 for Cancun.
Market price offered was 37000 for SD and 47500 for Cancun.
Now these tickets have different ClassicRewards prices of 25000 and 40000, so I understand that the 'starting point' is different, but if the Market Fare rewards were truly market price based, it would not cost more miles for a ticket that costs less to buy - period.
Jan 21, 2014, 4:42 pm
#60
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I have not been following this thread for a while, but can someone confirm whether or not market fare rewards are booked into something other than X, allow for you to enter your AE number and thus earn AQM/AQS? Curious to hear from anyone who has flown a AE market fare itinerary and got credited for it. Thanks.