Comments on 777HD HKG-YVR - EPIC FAIL
#1113
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 487
Capacity is still up in the market around +12% as last year a mix of 77W/77P were deployed.
#1114
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: YMM
Posts: 19
Has anyone sat in row 1? Is there any extra space to be had there? Right now I'm booked in 1H and 1K. I'm traveling with a friend, so I'm not too concerned about direct aisle access. I figure these seats get a bit more noise from the lavs and galley, but if there is some extra space it might be an acceptable tradeoff.
#1115
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: YVR
Programs: AC E50K
Posts: 994
Why is CX can do 2X daily (14X weekly) but AC needs to reduce to 5x weekly? Something is wrong with AC here.
#1116
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,352
Why is the automatic assumption that AC is doing something wrong? There are different pax profiles at play. I suspect AC carries mostly local/O+D pax where CX carries local + transit pax, so they are less reliant on HKG seasonalities.
#1117
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 487
In addition, remember that CX has a large hub in HKG where they can feed traffic all over Southeast Asia and beyond. Traffic to Canada declines significantly in November, so it is harder for AC to use its network beyond YVR to attract traffic in a period of low demand.
#1118
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
VS pulls the plug on LHRYVR (for a 2nd time!)
Vancouver-London : AC deploys the 777HD, BA gives up trying to sell F, and VS pulls out as fast a possible .... Worth considering when reading how wrong AC is to deploy HD to HKG/LHR, Rouge etc in such a high yielding market.
#1119
Suspended
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto YYZ UA-1K 1MM,QFgold
Programs: Royal Ambassador/ SPG Platinum 75/Marriott gold
Posts: 14,283
77W to 77P is a +31% jump in capacity. November is a lower demand month. AC is reducing capacity to better match demand, and is still showing growth of +12% vs last year.
In addition, remember that CX has a large hub in HKG where they can feed traffic all over Southeast Asia and beyond. Traffic to Canada declines significantly in November, so it is harder for AC to use its network beyond YVR to attract traffic in a period of low demand.
In addition, remember that CX has a large hub in HKG where they can feed traffic all over Southeast Asia and beyond. Traffic to Canada declines significantly in November, so it is harder for AC to use its network beyond YVR to attract traffic in a period of low demand.
#1120
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM
Posts: 23,273
And AC doesnt feed pax thru YVR to the USA? Seriously?
#1121
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC*SE 2MM, Asia Miles, SPG Gold (life), HH Gold, Golden Circle Jade
Posts: 1,068
As far as I can tell this is the only real problem with the AC "HD" configuration. People have shown they are very willing to pay for economy and premium economy in this setup. I have yet to hear a good story about business class though. Business class on AC HD configuration should be discounted at least 20-30% compared to AC business on 77W/77L/787 and the competition. Then the purchaser would know what they're in for and adjust expectations accordingly. Even re-brand the HD configuration as Rouge perhaps.
#1123
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere I need to be.
Programs: OW Emerald, *A Gold, NEXUS, GE, ABTC/APEC, South Korea SES, eIACS, PP, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 16,046
AC has interline agreements with CX/KA as well as TG to BKK, VN to SGN, SQ to SIN, MH to KUL/other destinations, CZ to CAN.
Trust me, I have seen many people enter the transit queue when I did fly AC TPAC (admittedly before 77P and before tango fares as well.)
#1124
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: LHR
Programs: CX GO, BA Gold, OZ*G, IHG Spire RA
Posts: 316
CX hard product is better in every class of service and soft product tends to be better too. On the other hand it also tends to be more expensive than AC but a lot of HK residents are pretty loyal to CX.
I switched this year and have no regrets.
I switched this year and have no regrets.