Employer dumping AC
Jun 29, 2013, 7:06 pm
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The average age of Air Canada's 767 fleet is 19.1 years
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Air%20Canada.htm
and overall average of AC's fleet is 12.9 years
The average age of KLM's MD-11s is 18.5 years
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/KLM.htm
and overall average of KL's fleet is 9.9 years old
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Air%20Canada.htm
and overall average of AC's fleet is 12.9 years
The average age of KLM's MD-11s is 18.5 years
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/KLM.htm
and overall average of KL's fleet is 9.9 years old
Jun 29, 2013, 7:19 pm
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ah but lets not get stats get in the way of a great AC is better post 
AC in the last two months: 78%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=AC
WS in the last two months: 77%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=ws
PD in the last two months: 76%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=pd
Granted, AC has improved from their overall ratings in the 50%s a few months back.
AC in the last two months: 78%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=AC
WS in the last two months: 77%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=ws
PD in the last two months: 76%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=pd
Granted, AC has improved from their overall ratings in the 50%s a few months back.
If you kindly re-read my post you will note that it is implicitly says it was my experience not everyone's...
Jun 29, 2013, 8:01 pm
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Jun 29, 2013, 8:17 pm
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Jun 29, 2013, 11:17 pm
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And good luck finding a WJ ticket at the economy fare unless booking 200 days in advance. Then start looking at the plus fares - which are criminal in my opinion. I had WJ dollars to burn so the wife and I are going to vegas. Flying UA J down from YEG on AP miles and WJ home. Only fare available was plus and EACH one way was $442... I felt like I needed to call the Special Victims Unit.
Jun 29, 2013, 11:18 pm
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On time performance is based on domestic only; however, I believe they simply used anecdotal evidence. Is there any actual quantitative measure of AC vs. WS respective on-time performances?
Jun 29, 2013, 11:23 pm
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Nobody likes to lose business, and for the time that you've been with us, I will say honestly that it was truly valued. Large corporate exodus? I have no data, but don't see it. I am rarely on a flight with less than a 98% load factor. After several decades I can pretty much pick out who's on leisure and who's on business. Customers come, and go, and come back again. We'll be waiting with outstretched arms when you're ready
Continued safe travels.
Continued safe travels.
Jun 29, 2013, 11:27 pm
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Jun 29, 2013, 11:33 pm
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The average age of Air Canada's 767 fleet is 19.1 years
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Air%20Canada.htm
and overall average of AC's fleet is 12.9 years
The average age of KLM's MD-11s is 18.5 years
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/KLM.htm
and overall average of KL's fleet is 9.9 years old
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Air%20Canada.htm
and overall average of AC's fleet is 12.9 years
The average age of KLM's MD-11s is 18.5 years
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/KLM.htm
and overall average of KL's fleet is 9.9 years old
Jun 30, 2013, 12:21 am
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And good luck finding a WJ ticket at the economy fare unless booking 200 days in advance. Then start looking at the plus fares - which are criminal in my opinion. I had WJ dollars to burn so the wife and I are going to vegas. Flying UA J down from YEG on AP miles and WJ home. Only fare available was plus and EACH one way was $442... I felt like I needed to call the Special Victims Unit.
I'm always bemused by the "prices prove AC is better" arguments.
If WS is more expensive than AC then their fares are "criminal".
If AC is more expensive than WS it's because AC is a better airline that people want to fly even though the price is higher due to the increased demand.
Originally Posted by danapop
Definitely AC is uncompetitive when your compare Flex with WestJet's lowest Economy fare. But that is not really comparing apples to oranges.
Tedgrrrr the credit transfers have something to do with changing names. WS must allow pax to change names so that you can put a flight credit in someone else's name (eg. if an employee leaves the company before being able to use their flight credit from a cancelled ticket).
Tedgrrrr the credit transfers have something to do with changing names. WS must allow pax to change names so that you can put a flight credit in someone else's name (eg. if an employee leaves the company before being able to use their flight credit from a cancelled ticket).
If WS is more expensive than AC then their fares are "criminal".
If AC is more expensive than WS it's because AC is a better airline that people want to fly even though the price is higher due to the increased demand.
Jun 30, 2013, 12:30 am
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Nobody likes to lose business, and for the time that you've been with us, I will say honestly that it was truly valued. Large corporate exodus? I have no data, but don't see it. I am rarely on a flight with less than a 98% load factor. After several decades I can pretty much pick out who's on leisure and who's on business. Customers come, and go, and come back again. We'll be waiting with outstretched arms when you're ready
Continued safe travels.
While I'm certain that sentiment is sincere and widespread amongnst front line employees in general and flight crews in particular (and reflects my experience) I fear that the higher in management you go the less likely one is to find that attitude.
Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD
The day I feared has come. My employer has dumped AC as a preferred carrier and is moving all spend over to WS and PD. Reasons stated were uncompetitive fares, weaker on-time performance, lack of credit transfer between employees, and ACs practice of overselling seats. It is truly a sad day because I honestly much, much preferred flying AC.
In a way this is liberating because I will no longer chase status and I can instead try a variety of new airlines both domestically, transborder and international. So I am looking forward to that, but I will miss the game of chasing status and being part of the Star Alliance - the best airline alliance, IMO.
I feel like I am part of a large corporate exodus from AC - or am I just imagining this because it is impacting me so directly?
In a way this is liberating because I will no longer chase status and I can instead try a variety of new airlines both domestically, transborder and international. So I am looking forward to that, but I will miss the game of chasing status and being part of the Star Alliance - the best airline alliance, IMO.
I feel like I am part of a large corporate exodus from AC - or am I just imagining this because it is impacting me so directly?
Continued safe travels.
Jun 30, 2013, 6:11 am
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AC in the last two months: 78%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=AC
WS in the last two months: 77%
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight....do?airline=ws
Interesting you bring this up, rankourabu - fleet age was another point to justify the change in preferred carriers. I don't see how that matters. AC has a well-maintained fleet even if it may be slightly older than other airlines. However, is AC's fleet THAT much older than WS?
Jun 30, 2013, 7:03 am
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ACYYZ/SD - hun i'm sleeping with your friends right now (the crazies at WJ, the racoons at PD and EwwwwwA 
) I'll come see you later!
OP are you sure your employer is fully dumping AC or just emphasizing that AC will no longer be a preferred carrier (ie. whichever offers the better deal during booking, will get business)?
The former doesnt really make sense to me since prices go up and down amongst the different airlines and their pricing strategies while the latter I can understand.
As for reliability (with the exception of those E75s)..... overall its been good! Overbooking, with confirmed tickets why would this be a matter (unless your colleagues are last minute people at check in). Then again, I prefer releasing seats after a specific deadline like T-45 (similar to clearing standby eupgrades).
I hate to say I feel like a racoon on Porter, stocked up on cookies, chips, nuts and had a glass of wine in Economy Class!
) I'll come see you later!OP are you sure your employer is fully dumping AC or just emphasizing that AC will no longer be a preferred carrier (ie. whichever offers the better deal during booking, will get business)?
The former doesnt really make sense to me since prices go up and down amongst the different airlines and their pricing strategies while the latter I can understand.
As for reliability (with the exception of those E75s)..... overall its been good! Overbooking, with confirmed tickets why would this be a matter (unless your colleagues are last minute people at check in). Then again, I prefer releasing seats after a specific deadline like T-45 (similar to clearing standby eupgrades).
I hate to say I feel like a racoon on Porter, stocked up on cookies, chips, nuts and had a glass of wine in Economy Class!
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