how are Scamcharges calculated?
Just curious if anyone know how Scamcharges are calculated by AP?
For example, if I book a flight that has one long segment in NH or TG, but everything else in that trip is with UA, I know I will get hit with Scamcharges due to the segment with NH or TG. For example: YYZ-EWR UA EWR-FRA UA FRA-NRT NH NRT-HKG UA Now if I already have to pay Scamcharges for NH or TG, would the amount of Scamcharge go up a lot - if I toss in a few AC segments to the mix (removing UA component)? For example: YYZ-FRA AC FRA-NRT NH NRT-HKG NH Are Scamcharges calculated per leg? Or do we just get hit with something in the range of C$500 regardless of how many segments on scamcharge airlines for a YYZ-Asia trip, once there is at least one scamchargable segment on NH or TG, etc? |
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It's calculated per leg using the operating carrier's published YQ.
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Originally Posted by krayZpaving
(Post 20405476)
It's calculated per leg using the operating carrier's published YQ.
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It's the highest amount they think they can get away with, and still sell seats. In other words, the same algorithm they use to set the base fare.
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I guess, it depends on your definition of 'scamcharges'.
If you are meaning 'YQ' - scamcharge sensu stricto and seemingly arbitrary per other posts. But if you are meaning more like the all up extra cash charge for reward tickets, then that can and usually does include some unpleasant, but quite real and set costs such as airport-imposed passenger fees (securtity, landing, airport improvement ...). Here are some I saw posted in another thread: $54.20 Swiss Passenger Security and Noise Charge $39.50 France Domestic & International Airport Tax $21.30 Spain Departure Charge $5.80 Spanish Security Tax $48.40 France International Passenger Service Charge $23.40 Thailand Domestic Passenger Service $477.80 Fuel Surcharge ... and Canada has its own verion of many of these of course ;) |
It's whatever Air Canada wants to steal from you as the ticketing carrier.
Classic example is the YYZ-NRT-AKL routing on NZ/ AC. AC should only collect for first leg, but they collect based on YYZ-AKL, which is much more :) |
Yeah I mean YQ.
Because looking at my parents ticket which involved multiple segments on scamchargable airlines, for example: YYZ ORD AC ORD ICN OZ ICN HKG OZ HKG BKK TG BKK NRT NH NRT YYZ AC ...YQ was $512 Then booked a flight for the partner: BCN ZRH LX ZRH CDG LX CDG BKK TG BKK CDG TG CDG ZRH LX ZRH BCN LX ... YQ was around the same. At $477! So it just seem totally arbitrary! Any ticket without a scamchargable airline involved. Then it's only the taxes involved. But toss in one segment that involves those airlines. Then it seems to be $500 regardless? Even if it is just one segment or 6 segments?!? ----- Just as an experiment... I went to AP website and put in the following: YYZ CDG via AC CDG YYZ via LH AC ... YQ of $862 ($431 per segment) then I tried: YYZ FRA via AC FRA BKK via TG BKK NRT via NH NRT ORD via NH ORD YYZ via AC ... YQ of $670 (total) Makes absolutely NO SENSE! |
Originally Posted by iamaho
(Post 20404404)
Just curious if anyone know how Scamcharges are calculated by AP?
Published Distance YYZ-LHR-YYZ: 7112 miles Published Fuel Surcharge: $412.00 Actual Fuel Cost to AC: $398.27 (method 1) Actual Fuel Cost to AC: $376.94 (method 2) How to reach that amazing number, showing how it's not a fuel surcharge from their own year end finacials for 2012: http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/in...q4_release.pdf Method 1: Fuel/Available Seat Mile = CASM - Adj CASM = 17.4 - 11.8 = 5.6 cents/seat-mile. However the Adj CASM also includes a few other expenses, so... Method 2: Available seat miles (millions) (ASM) 67,269 Fuel Litres (millions) 3,976 Fuel Cost/Litre (cents) 89.7 so it cost $3,566.4m in fuel last year to fly 67,269m seat-miles, or... 3,976m * 0.897 / 67,269m = 5.3 cents/seat-mile How this doesn't qualify for fraud is actually somewhat beyond me. Oh, and before the AC lovers start talking about load-factor, let's remember these numbers don't take into account that the J cabin pays a double fuel-surcharge. |
Looking at flight YYZ-CDG return: Feb 1-12, 2014
-if book into Y then YQ is $456pp -if book into J then YQ is $826pp! Most of the rest of the taxes/fees are the same regardless of which class booked into (exception is French Air Passenger Solidarity Tax IZ Y is $5.60 and J is $55.60) - so total for Y is $$582pp and J is $996pp plus of course the points needed! Numbers come from ita Matrix search |
The Points Guy did a good write up on the irrational nature of AP YQ...
http://thepointsguy.com/2013/03/over...axes-and-fees/ |
Lucky just wrote an interesting blog about miscalculations in YQ charges on American.
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/onemil...es-negotiable/ |
Division by Zero is involved....
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Originally Posted by CZBB
(Post 20410231)
Method 1:
Fuel/Available Seat Mile = CASM - Adj CASM = 17.4 - 11.8 = 5.6 cents/seat-mile. However the Adj CASM also includes a few other expenses, so... Method 2: Available seat miles (millions) (ASM) 67,269 Fuel Litres (millions) 3,976 Fuel Cost/Litre (cents) 89.7 so it cost $3,566.4m in fuel last year to fly 67,269m seat-miles, or... 3,976m * 0.897 / 67,269m = 5.3 cents/seat-mile |
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