May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Aug 21, 2014, 2:04 pm
#3586
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 259
Jumping in WAY late into the Rouge discussion here...
We're heading to Cancun, and I can catch a direct flight on Rouge from YYZ, which is very convenient. I've heard the seats are narrow (17.8" from what I see), and pitch is tight (31-35" from what I see).
My other options include US Air out of BUF whose connecting flights through Charlotte have seats 17.0" wide with a 32" pitch.
I'm really early in my search for flights, but I do want to book early. But, I'm a little scared off by the negativity I read re Rouge on these boards. Should I totally avoid Rouge at all costs? Them seem not so bad, but I'm certainly no expert.
We're heading to Cancun, and I can catch a direct flight on Rouge from YYZ, which is very convenient. I've heard the seats are narrow (17.8" from what I see), and pitch is tight (31-35" from what I see).
My other options include US Air out of BUF whose connecting flights through Charlotte have seats 17.0" wide with a 32" pitch.
I'm really early in my search for flights, but I do want to book early. But, I'm a little scared off by the negativity I read re Rouge on these boards. Should I totally avoid Rouge at all costs? Them seem not so bad, but I'm certainly no expert.
Aug 21, 2014, 2:08 pm
#3587
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ottawa
Programs: Cessna TTx Self-Fly
Posts: 2,982
What US carriers have F exYOW? UAX. Like 1-2 flights out of 40-50/day. Am I missing any?
OT : Noticed UA is upgauging a lot of YOW operations this Fall ..... Good news. F-equipped Q4 on YOWEWR, CR7 on some YOWIAD, E70 on YOWORD. Along w/ DL CR9 service on Sat-only YOWATL ..... Big changes.
Let's hope they stick around and we don't go back to 98% E145s and CR2s.
OT : Noticed UA is upgauging a lot of YOW operations this Fall ..... Good news. F-equipped Q4 on YOWEWR, CR7 on some YOWIAD, E70 on YOWORD. Along w/ DL CR9 service on Sat-only YOWATL ..... Big changes.
Let's hope they stick around and we don't go back to 98% E145s and CR2s.
Aug 21, 2014, 2:36 pm
#3588
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM, Bonvoy Plat, Hilton G,Nexus, Amex MR Plat,IHG Plat
Posts: 4,417
Jumping in WAY late into the Rouge discussion here...
We're heading to Cancun, and I can catch a direct flight on Rouge from YYZ, which is very convenient. I've heard the seats are narrow (17.8" from what I see), and pitch is tight (31-35" from what I see).
My other options include US Air out of BUF whose connecting flights through Charlotte have seats 17.0" wide with a 32" pitch.
I'm really early in my search for flights, but I do want to book early. But, I'm a little scared off by the negativity I read re Rouge on these boards. Should I totally avoid Rouge at all costs? Them seem not so bad, but I'm certainly no expert.
We're heading to Cancun, and I can catch a direct flight on Rouge from YYZ, which is very convenient. I've heard the seats are narrow (17.8" from what I see), and pitch is tight (31-35" from what I see).
My other options include US Air out of BUF whose connecting flights through Charlotte have seats 17.0" wide with a 32" pitch.
I'm really early in my search for flights, but I do want to book early. But, I'm a little scared off by the negativity I read re Rouge on these boards. Should I totally avoid Rouge at all costs? Them seem not so bad, but I'm certainly no expert.
Aug 21, 2014, 2:38 pm
#3589
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,358
Jumping in WAY late into the Rouge discussion here...
We're heading to Cancun, and I can catch a direct flight on Rouge from YYZ, which is very convenient. I've heard the seats are narrow (17.8" from what I see), and pitch is tight (31-35" from what I see).
My other options include US Air out of BUF whose connecting flights through Charlotte have seats 17.0" wide with a 32" pitch.
I'm really early in my search for flights, but I do want to book early. But, I'm a little scared off by the negativity I read re Rouge on these boards. Should I totally avoid Rouge at all costs? Them seem not so bad, but I'm certainly no expert.
We're heading to Cancun, and I can catch a direct flight on Rouge from YYZ, which is very convenient. I've heard the seats are narrow (17.8" from what I see), and pitch is tight (31-35" from what I see).
My other options include US Air out of BUF whose connecting flights through Charlotte have seats 17.0" wide with a 32" pitch.
I'm really early in my search for flights, but I do want to book early. But, I'm a little scared off by the negativity I read re Rouge on these boards. Should I totally avoid Rouge at all costs? Them seem not so bad, but I'm certainly no expert.
IMO - an extra fee for a preferred seat far outweighs travelling to BUF and then having a connection.
Aug 21, 2014, 7:30 pm
#3590
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: YLW
Programs: AC- SE100 1MM, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Platinum, National Executive, Nexus/GE
Posts: 4,300
For fun today my 14 year old and I flew YVR-LAS-YYC and we were in Seats 1 AC and the 1DF.
*Nice having an empty seat between us.
*Warm nuts and hot towel are nice
*food and wine were good
*Crew was friendly
*no commercials before movie or shows, but limited and dated selection
*Premium class not business class not worth 4 eupgrades
*people are packed in, bigger people had bellies on their trays, tall people looked as they were hurting, children and little people looked happy
Its a choice, I am not wowed by it, but its a choice I guess, I do like ML better though.
*Nice having an empty seat between us.
*Warm nuts and hot towel are nice
*food and wine were good
*Crew was friendly
*no commercials before movie or shows, but limited and dated selection
*Premium class not business class not worth 4 eupgrades
*people are packed in, bigger people had bellies on their trays, tall people looked as they were hurting, children and little people looked happy
Its a choice, I am not wowed by it, but its a choice I guess, I do like ML better though.
Aug 21, 2014, 9:26 pm
#3591
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
You subsequent post clears it up - you're insulted by the prices your fellow travellers are currently willing to pay for Rouge J on the A319. Not sure what that has to do with AC
Aug 22, 2014, 12:18 am
#3592
Join Date: Dec 2013
Programs: AC, A3*G AB-G
Posts: 155
I assumed your original post meant you were "beyond insulted" by the Rouge J product yet satisfied with US regionals. I was simply inquiring what was so off-putting on Rouge J when compared to US regional jet offerings.
You subsequent post clears it up - you're insulted by the prices your fellow travellers are currently willing to pay for Rouge J on the A319. Not sure what that has to do with AC
You subsequent post clears it up - you're insulted by the prices your fellow travellers are currently willing to pay for Rouge J on the A319. Not sure what that has to do with AC
Anyway this particular exchange concerns flying out of YOW, where there are no direct Rouge flights. So the option for most destinations is to connect with mainline via YYZ or on a museum-age DH8 through YUL. I fail to see how the YOW-YUL experience followed by Rouge J could be better than a slightly longer regional flight to the US and then a "real" J onwards flight, especially if the US connection is cost-neutral or less expensive (which is generally the case).
Aug 22, 2014, 8:27 am
#3593
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ontario, CAN
Posts: 5,813
Guess you could also ask Westjet why they don’t simply block the middle seats in their Economy Plus cabin and price them at a level less insulting
Aug 22, 2014, 8:43 am
#3594
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VCE
Posts: 14,165
VCE-YYZ and VCE-YUL nonstops- the only other option is Thomas Cook and only on YYZ and only charter. I can say at least on VCE/YYZ the nonstop with Rouge is better than nothing at all.
Aug 22, 2014, 11:11 am
#3595
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The World
Programs: WS Platinum, Marriott Titanium, DL Gold, UA Silver
Posts: 1,475
Popped up in my Google News alert email this morning:
A Review of Air Canada Rouge – Just Say No for Business and Personal Travel
https://spendmatters.com/2014/08/22/...rsonal-travel/
I think I’ve found the bottom of the barrel of Star Alliance. While it may be painted “Rouge” on the outside, Air Canada’s new discount service made my family red with anger on the inside. ... ...
The happy customers just keep on rolling in . . .
A Review of Air Canada Rouge – Just Say No for Business and Personal Travel
https://spendmatters.com/2014/08/22/...rsonal-travel/
I think I’ve found the bottom of the barrel of Star Alliance. While it may be painted “Rouge” on the outside, Air Canada’s new discount service made my family red with anger on the inside. ... ...
The happy customers just keep on rolling in . . .
Aug 22, 2014, 11:44 am
#3596
Join Date: Sep 2008
Programs: American AAdvantage
Posts: 1,045
I'd be skeptical about that article on SpendMatters site due to the hyperboles. For instance...
All iPads are Wi-Fi enabled while many may not be cellular-enabled.
Since most iPads are not Wi-Fi enabled and global data plans aren’t cheap for smartphones, an earlier warning (e.g., an email or call) would have been appreciated for the nine-hour flight.
Aug 22, 2014, 1:21 pm
#3597
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The World
Programs: WS Platinum, Marriott Titanium, DL Gold, UA Silver
Posts: 1,475
Perhaps the author doesn't own an iPad and made an incorrect assumption. Or perhaps the author miscommunicated and intended to convey that connecting to WiFi in the airport wasn't possible for some reason.
Regardless, who cares. The review is consistent with the vast, vast majority of reviews that are out there.
Aug 22, 2014, 2:46 pm
#3598
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
They should also be aware that annual club memberships and Star Alliance Gold status for club admittance may not be honored in the same capacity (e.g., bringing two children per card-carrying adult
Since when did *Gold status let you bring in two children? It's always been one guest or ticketed J.He then refers to premium rouge as business class. On TATL trips, the 767s are sold and priced as Premium Economy. PY is priced pretty competitively, both on rouge and mainline.
Valid criticism on the amigo era 767, which will be getting an update and in-seat power later this year.
Aug 22, 2014, 2:51 pm
#3599
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: YUL
Programs: AC SE (*A Gold), Bonvoy Platinum Elite, Hilton Gold, Amex Platinum / AP Reserve, NEXUS, Global Entry
Posts: 5,691
If you take the quote out of context, of course it doesn't make sense. The author was talking about being told to download the Air Canada app at the gate in order to have in-flight entertainment. While he definitely erred in saying "[s]ince most iPads are not Wi-Fi enabled," the underlying point of not having sufficient notice to prepare one's iPad ahead of the flight is completely valid.
Aug 22, 2014, 3:54 pm
#3600
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ottawa
Programs: Cessna TTx Self-Fly
Posts: 2,982
AC/Rouge supplies a basic product in an open market. There is not a single Rouge destination not accessible by other airlines. So, How does it make any sense to “blame” AC/Rouge for the prices their services/products command? If Rouge A319 J prices are offensive to some, take it up with your fellow travellers dictating the market price with every purchase.
Guess you could also ask Westjet why they don’t simply block the middle seats in their Economy Plus cabin and price them at a level less insulting
Guess you could also ask Westjet why they don’t simply block the middle seats in their Economy Plus cabin and price them at a level less insulting
No, my beef is with AC and not with other travellers willing to pay J 319 prices. Why? Because there are other options available to me. I choose not to support AC Rouge 319 J. I do as others have often said to do - vote with my wallet.