AC 870 late tonight , Industrial action within airline?

767300ER · Dec 8, 12, 8:08 pm

Just received the notification that my AC 871 CDG-YUL flight tomorrow is delayed. The incoming aircraft is back to the gate in YUL. Departure from YUL is delayed by 5 hours or so and KVS show the following

YUL 01:45 ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE
YUL PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES
YUL INDUSTRIAL ACTION WITHIN AIRLINE
CDG 14:29 ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL

I am curious what Industrial action within airline means??
First time I see this.

The plane being back at the gate I guess departure is still not fully confirmed

Any news what happened?

PlaneWatcherYYC · Dec 8, 12, 9:10 pm

Not sure why it's showing Industrial Action..

Plane Returned to Gate due to MTC Bleed Problem.. They have to ferry in another aircraft from YYZ... New ETD is 0145 EDT (5hr 50L) Arriving now at 1442hrs Local (5hr 57L)... 871 is now leaving 1545hrs (2h 20L) sched arrival now showing 1715h EDT 2h 20L..

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Originally Posted by 767300ER

Just received the notification that my AC 871 CDG-YUL flight tomorrow is delayed. The incoming aircraft is back to the gate in YUL. Departure from YUL is delayed by 5 hours or so and KVS show the following

YUL 01:45 ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE
YUL PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES
YUL INDUSTRIAL ACTION WITHIN AIRLINE
CDG 14:29 ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL

I am curious what Industrial action within airline means??
First time I see this.

The plane being back at the gate I guess departure is still not fully confirmed

Any news what happened?

yscleo · Dec 8, 12, 9:35 pm

Industrial action? MTC Bleed problem?

Can someone explain in plain English?

PlaneWatcherYYC · Dec 8, 12, 9:54 pm

As I mentioned not sure why KVS is showing "Industrial Action" When its a maintenance issue.

And for more info on what the bleed issue is - http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Bleed_Air_Leaks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleed_air

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-bleed-air.htm

The Lev · Dec 9, 12, 7:43 am

"Industrial Action" is code for an employee strike, which does not appear to be the case here.

rankourabu · Dec 9, 12, 8:28 am

Would "Industrial Action" mean that AC doesnt have to pay the EU compensation for the delay

yscleo · Dec 9, 12, 11:11 am

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Originally Posted by PlaneWatcherYYC

As I mentioned not sure why KVS is showing "Industrial Action" When its a maintenance issue.

And for more info on what the bleed issue is - http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Bleed_Air_Leaks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleed_air

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-bleed-air.htm

Thanks. Still don't really understand what it all means. But maybe that's why there are engineers (including my son)

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Originally Posted by The Lev

"Industrial Action" is code for an employee strike, which does not appear to be the case here.

Ah, learned something every day.

So the teachers in Ontario are onto some Industrial Action this week.

KVS · Dec 9, 12, 1:20 pm

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Originally Posted by PlaneWatcherYYC

As I mentioned not sure why KVS is showing "Industrial Action" When its a maintenance issue.

Looks like AC had changed the reason code on AC 870, but have used a slightly different one on AC 871:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.1/Diamond - Amadeus Operational Info: AC 870/08 Dec 2012]

Code:

                 Planned Flight Info
Segment          Departure  Arrival    Duration
-------          ---------  ---------  --------
YUL-CDG          19:55/Sat  08:45/Sun  06:50

Segment          Flight Note
-------          ----------------------------
YUL-CDG          ARRIVES TERMINAL 2A
YUL-CDG          MCT FLIGHT TRACKING I/I
YUL-CDG          SECURED FLIGHT
YUL-CDG          ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
                 ARRIVES TERMINAL 2A

Location  Time   Operational Event
--------  -----  ------------------------------
YUL       01:56  LEFT THE GATE
YUL              PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES
YUL              LATE ARRIVAL OF AIRCRAFT
CDG       14:39  ARRIVED
CDG              PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES
CDG              LATE ARRIVAL OF AIRCRAFT

[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.1/Diamond - Amadeus Operational Info: AC 871/09 Dec 2012]

Code:

                 Planned Flight Info
Segment          Departure  Arrival    Duration
-------          ---------  ---------  --------
CDG-YUL          13:25/Sun  14:55/Sun  07:30

Segment          Flight Note
-------          ----------------------------
CDG-YUL          DEPARTS TERMINAL 2A
CDG-YUL          MCT FLIGHT TRACKING I/I
CDG-YUL          SECURED FLIGHT
CDG-YUL          ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
                 DEPARTS TERMINAL 2A

Location  Time   Operational Event
--------  -----  -------------------------------
CDG       16:26  LEFT THE GATE
CDG              PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES
CDG              INDUSTRIAL ACTION OTHER AIRLINE
YUL       18:10  ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL

rankourabu · Dec 9, 12, 1:29 pm

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Originally Posted by KVS

Looks like AC had changed the reason code on AC 870, but have used a slightly different one on AC 871

I still say this is EU261 shenanigans, so AC can get out of paying delay compensation

Such a delay does not, however, entitle passengers to compensation if the air carrier can prove that the long delay was caused by extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken, namely circumstances beyond the actual control of the air carrier.

PropWasher · Dec 9, 12, 2:02 pm

Ac 0870 yul cdg 742 93 6:01 5:52
remarks: Fin 732. Rtng gatw with eng bleed problem. Already had 1 pack on mel no go sending rescue acft from yyz fin 742 ac7064. Approx 6 hr delay.

PropWasher · Dec 9, 12, 2:09 pm

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Originally Posted by rankourabu

I still say this is EU261 shenanigans, so AC can get out of paying delay compensation

Ferrying an aircraft seems a little extreme if your theory is correct. No?

AC 0870 YUL CDG 742 93 6:01 5:52
REMARKS: FIN 732. RTNG GATW WITH ENG BLEED PROBLEM. ALREADY HAD 1 PACK ON MEL NO GO SENDING RESCUE ACFT FROM YYZ FIN 742 AC7064. APPROX 6 HR DELAY.

PropWasher · Dec 9, 12, 2:26 pm

Code:

Dec 9 	07:14 	02:14 	08:14 	ADS-B 	Gate Adjustment 	

    AEQP Changed To B77W

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...ightNumber=870

rankourabu · Dec 9, 12, 5:16 pm

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Originally Posted by PropWasher

Ferrying an aircraft seems a little extreme if your theory is correct. No?

My theory is that they did not want to list MECHANICAL as the reason so they dont have to pay out. Ferrying an aircraft only supports the fact it was mechanical not "industrial action"

PropWasher · Dec 9, 12, 5:27 pm

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Originally Posted by rankourabu

My theory is that they did not want to list MECHANICAL as the reason so they dont have to pay out. Ferrying an aircraft only supports the fact it was mechanical not "industrial action"

Where did AC claim "industrial action"? Other than in your head that is.

"and KVS show the following" is the basis for your theory?

rankourabu · Dec 9, 12, 5:56 pm

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Originally Posted by PropWasher

Where did AC claim "industrial action"? Other than in your head that is.

"and KVS show the following" is the basis for your theory?

here?

sorry for assuming that KVS scrapes reliable info .....

Location Time Operational Event
-------- ----- -------------------------------
CDG 16:26 LEFT THE GATE
CDG PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES
CDG INDUSTRIAL ACTION OTHER AIRLINE
YUL 18:10 ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL