Just booking a new C STAR RTW, and wanted to do a couple of longhauls on AC, which I have not done for a while. I see they are still asking for $300
surcharges for 777 flights. Anyone know why? The seats are exactly the same as 767/330 ( Not like SQ where the C seats deserve a surcharge).
And 777 flights are commonplace these days, it's not like when AC asked for a
$500 surcharge on the 343/345 flying YYZ-HKG since the ultra-long-haul was
a novelty then.
How do they justify it?
By the way, I just changed the FRA-YYZ flight to MUC-YYZ instead, saving 1 surcharge. And I am thinking about flying another airline to HKG from YYZ to
save the second surcharge.
AC, you are cutting off your own nose...
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This is why I am flying LX in January to europe and giving up possible upgrades, as to save money. AC risk those of us who do this for variou reasons to discover a new favourite airline
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This is why I am flying LX in January to europe and giving up possible upgrades, as to save money. AC risk those of us who do this for variou reasons to discover a new favourite airline
I had a chance to try Asiana and Singapore business class cabin in early November,first time on both.
I must say that I was quite impressed
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This is why I am flying LX in January to europe and giving up possible upgrades, as to save money. AC risk those of us who do this for variou reasons to discover a new favourite airline
I had a chance to try Asiana and Singapore business class cabin in early November,first time on both.
I must say that I was quite impressed
SQ is even worse than AC when it comes to surcharges on CRWSTAR fares and OZ also charges extra for some TPAC flights.
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I've seen these posts, but never been of the opinion that fare are aircraft specific (referring to base fares). Regardless of whether you fly YYZ-YVR/LAX on a 319/320/321/330/777 - fares all seem identical based on availability.
Having said that, upcoming trip on LOT to Poland. LO's flexible (J) fare on their 763's is $2658.00. On February 1st and onwards when the 787 assumes the route, overnight the fare jumps to $4258.00 - a difference of almost $1600!
I've seen these posts, but never been of the opinion that fare are aircraft specific (referring to base fares). Regardless of whether you fly YYZ-YVR/LAX on a 319/320/321/330/777 - fares all seem identical based on availability.
Having said that, upcoming trip on LOT to Poland. LO's flexible (J) fare on their 763's is $2658.00. On February 1st and onwards when the 787 assumes the route, overnight the fare jumps to $4258.00 - a difference of almost $1600!
OP is talking about the RTW fare which have customarily have had type surcharges.
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I've seen these posts, but never been of the opinion that fare are aircraft specific (referring to base fares). Regardless of whether you fly YYZ-YVR/LAX on a 319/320/321/330/777 - fares all seem identical based on availability.
From the Star Alliance RTW fare rules:
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AIR CANADA BUSINESS CLASS SURCHARGE
USD 300 BUSINESS CLASS Q SURCHARGE PER SECTOR APPLICABLE FOR PASSENGER BOOKED IN Z CLASS ON AIRCRAFT
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SQ is even worse than AC when it comes to surcharges on CRWSTAR fares and OZ also charges extra for some TPAC flights.
+1
I'm doing a Z RtW ex Oz shortly, and the surcharges by SQ and AC added about 8% to the fare on my preferred routing. I'm going to save a lot of that by using Thai rather than SQ as far as Europe, with no compromise on routing or timing, but am accepting AC for the convenience of departure from YVR. (Ie going via the US will cost more time than the $300 surcharge.)
I've always interpreted these charges as the airline saying:
"Gee, you're only paying Z, but we are proving these great aircraft, so we'll soak you more."
Yes, as others have pointed out, these are only on the 777, and only on the CRTW.
For example, if I take the FRA-YYZ flight on the 767, no surcharge. The day I want
there is no Z class open on that flight, so my agent put me on the 777. As I said,
I changed to MUC, For the YYZ-HKG, I just changed to UA YYZ-SFO-HKG. So AC loses
a big chunk of the RTW.
What I don't understand is that the seats and service are identical 777/330/767, so why the
surcharge?
More often than not I fly FRTWs where there are no surcharges, but now that SQ is
not available for many of these longhauls, I decided CRTW is the way to go. By the
way, I think SQ's surcharges are reasonable for the seat/service offered, but I cannot
understand AC's.
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I believe the surcharge for flights operated by the 77W/77L is a relict from the time AC only had pods on those aircrafts and still had recliner/lie flat seats on the 330 and 763 aircrafts and pods in general were a novelty in the airline industry.
I guess AC either forgot about those surcharges (which no longer make any sense) or doesnīt really care as itīs only beneficial to them as most pax wonīt even notice/care.
I have noticed before that fares YVR - YYZ are sometimes higher for the 777. I just checked a random date in Jan and found no surcharge for T or T+, but surcharge of $200/400 for lowest/flexible J tix.
Dear IluvSQ--these surcharges have been there for a while. Since SQ was charging enormous amounts for the 77W and 380 I think AC thought why not. Also, the CStar RTW seats used to be booked in C/D on AC and that gave 50% bonus --but AC changed it to Z. I book my RTW's out of ICN (5-7000 dollars cheaper than starting from Canada or US) and the ICN-YVR has no surcharges ( It's a 763). As long as one of the TATL or TAPC is done on AC they will issue the ticket on 014 stock. If you really want to stick to AC--try HKG-ICN-YVR and you'll save the 500.00 ( Talking about surcharges--the FRTW on SQ allows booking on the A380 for a --are you sitting down--a 4000.00 surcharge between FRA-SIN) Just wait for the 787 surcharges!
Just a fun note: if you originate in RGN, the F STAR RTWs are only $5K It doesn't address your question, but you may care a lot less about the surcharges if you find a nice cheap place to originate from hehe.
I believe the surcharge for flights operated by the 77W/77L is a relict from the time AC only had pods on those aircrafts and still had recliner/lie flat seats on the 330 and 763 aircrafts and pods in general were a novelty in the airline industry.
I guess AC either forgot about those surcharges (which no longer make any sense) or doesnīt really care as itīs only beneficial to them as most pax wonīt even notice/care.
Kind of like saying the government of Canada forgot to remove personal "income tax" charges introduced in the early 1900s.
Once a tax gets levied,it just seems to never go away.
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Also, the CStar RTW seats used to be booked in C/D on AC and that gave 50% bonus --but AC changed it to Z.
It was actually worse at the time the CRWSTAR fares booked into C class on AC because C did not earn any COS bonus on international flights! You had to send in the boarding passed by mail and ask for a manual credit of the bonus miles, which they did for CRWSTAR fares.
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CHAP 101-AEROPLAN PAGE 108-AC
PARAGRAPH-ACC
ACCUMULATION**
AROUND THE WORLD - FARE RULES DICTATE THAT AC FLIGHTS
BOOKED AS PART OF A STAR ALLIANCE
BUSINESS CLASS AROUND THE WORLD TICKET
BE BOOKED IN *C* CLASS WHICH DOES NOT
GRANT 25% BONUS. AEROPLAN WILL ALLOW
A MANUAL ADJUSTMENT TO THESE SEGMENTS
TO *J* CLASS IF THE MEMBER REQUESTS IT.
CALL THE AE HELP DESK FOR ASSISTANCE.
