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Old Nov 23, 12, 8:32 am   #1
 
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Fuel surcharge different for business class?

I was taking a peek at summer travel next June and noticed something that I've never seen before. Travel from Ottawa to Athens from Frankfurt return in economy states the "Taxes, fees and surcharges" is $630.81... and $800.81 in business class. The difference in the charges was solely the 'fuel surcharge". Is this another new policy for Aeroplan?
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Old Nov 23, 12, 8:36 am   #2
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Has been like that for a while. At least since last summer.

In some cases Latitude is higher than lower fares too.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 8:46 am   #3
 
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One of the few things that actually makes sense in the AC world.

If you're taking up more space and weight - fuel surcharge should be higher.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 9:09 am   #4
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One of the few things that actually makes sense in the AC world.

If you're taking up more space and weight - fuel surcharge should be higher.
You think I get heavier when sitting in front?
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You think I get heavier when sitting in front?
More luggage allowance + heavier seat.
That being said....you do get more food in J......
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You think I get heavier when sitting in front?
What did that article say about EF pods weighing ~200kg?

HOWEVER, one EF pod say on a 767 would be the equivalent of ~3 Y seats; so factor 2 less pax would be easy to break even no?
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and some countries impose a higher tax for business class....like UK's APD
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What did that article say about EF pods weighing ~200kg?

HOWEVER, one EF pod say on a 767 would be the equivalent of ~3 Y seats; so factor 2 less pax would be easy to break even no?
Maybe they figure J passengers are of the heavier persuasion hence a ~25% increase in Fuel surcharge ?
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I believe in AC's rationale you need to not only factor in the weight of the seat, passenger and luggage, but also that passenger's share of the total aircraft's weight. Given that one SJ seat takes yp the space of almost two Y seats, there is some rationale for the cost being almost double.

My impression (sorry I don't have hard data handy) is that much the same as with the introduction of T+, the differential that AC has been applying on the YQ from Y to J has been growing over time as passengers got used to the idea.
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Old Nov 23, 12, 3:34 pm   #10
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I believe in AC's rationale you need to not only factor in the weight of the seat, passenger and luggage, but also that passenger's share of the total aircraft's weight. Given that one SJ seat takes yp the space of almost two Y seats, there is some rationale for the cost being almost double.
I was making that comment (obviously?) tongue in cheek.

But seriously, it's all about average vs. marginal cost, isn't it? The plane will carry the pod whether my bum is in it or not.

Whether you get the upgrade or I do.
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Old Nov 24, 12, 2:05 pm   #11
 
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I was taking a peek at summer travel next June and noticed something that I've never seen before. Travel from Ottawa to Athens from Frankfurt return in economy states the "Taxes, fees and surcharges" is $630.81... and $800.81 in business class. The difference in the charges was solely the 'fuel surcharge". Is this another new policy for Aeroplan?
Yes, rather than charging a 'surcharge' which exceeds the actual per seat total fuel cost in Y, they charge you more than double the actual fuel cost in J
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You just need to realize that the "fuel surcharge" is not really a fuel surcharge, it is just part of the ticket price. Mealy mouthed bureaucratese for "we're gonna charge you an arm and a leg and there is nothing you can do about it."

Just look at total prices and compare those.
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Old Nov 25, 12, 7:49 pm   #13
 
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I believe in AC's rationale you need to not only factor in the weight of the seat, passenger and luggage, but also that passenger's share of the total aircraft's weight. Given that one SJ seat takes yp the space of almost two Y seats, there is some rationale for the cost being almost double.

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Yes well they can come up with almost any kind of rationale, because in the end it doesn't matter since YQ is not a fuel surcharge. From the many examples provided by members of this forum, it really is pretty obvious that it is a fairly obtusely calculated service charge and I don't understand why people still feed into the notion that it has anything to do with the cost of fuel??
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Yes well they can come up with almost any kind of rationale, because in the end it doesn't matter since YQ is not a fuel surcharge. From the many examples provided by members of this forum, it really is pretty obvious that it is a fairly obtusely calculated service charge and I don't understand why people still feed into the notion that it has anything to do with the cost of fuel??
+1. Big time.
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