Mini RTW Questions
Jul 18, 2014, 7:07 am
#3001
Formerly known as newbie elite
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: YUL
Programs: IHG Diamond Ambassador, Accor Platinum, AC50K
Posts: 2,923
Strange since YYZ-WAW/IST-WAW-YYZ is under 200 miles of YYZ-IST MPM5 and published. I guess AE approximations are very coarse.
Last edited by Admiral Ackbar; Jul 18, 2014 at 9:56 am Reason: Clarity
Jul 18, 2014, 8:57 am
#3002
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 3
I've been a long time "lurker" and have had many of my flying questions answered and now just looking to use up our reward miles for a trip to Europe, to the best I can. 2 of us flying from YUL to Athens and would like to make a couple stops (just about anywhere!) on the way there/back while minimizing the $ of charges (so no AC ideally). I'm just wondering what my best options would be... Should I be searching for a direct flight out of YUL to say, ZRH on SWR and then find a flight to ATH? Or should I be looking at flying through the US for more options?
Thank you in advance,
A reward ticket newbie
Thank you in advance,
A reward ticket newbie
Jul 18, 2014, 9:22 am
#3003
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,534
Thanks, even though it was well under the 20k mpm0, 21k mpm5, AC must enforce some routing rules like this.
Called in again this morning, dropped the YVR loop and just went YUL-YYZ to end it, and it validated.
Missed the UA SYD-LAX flight since last night which would have cut the travel time significantly and saved a one way ticket.
The following flights were dropped, hopefully they go back into I inventory, if anybody is looking:
9/26/2014 SEA NRT NH1077 13:30 16:00
9/27/2014 NRT AKL NZ90 18:30 9:15
10/28/2014 SYD YVR AC34 10:25 7:30
Called in again this morning, dropped the YVR loop and just went YUL-YYZ to end it, and it validated.
Missed the UA SYD-LAX flight since last night which would have cut the travel time significantly and saved a one way ticket.
The following flights were dropped, hopefully they go back into I inventory, if anybody is looking:
9/26/2014 SEA NRT NH1077 13:30 16:00
9/27/2014 NRT AKL NZ90 18:30 9:15
10/28/2014 SYD YVR AC34 10:25 7:30
Jul 18, 2014, 9:28 am
#3004
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
An interesting thing I did learn from that is how the MPM calculation is done - it's done using the city codes and not the airport code. So if you want to get a precise check of whether you're under MPM or not, use the generic city code (e.g. TYO instead of HND/NRT or SEL instead of ICN/GMP.)
Interesting about the backtracking rule. My experience is that it's been allowed as I've done stuff such as going from NRT-ICN-KIX, but maybe YUL-YVR-YYZ is not allowed?
Jul 18, 2014, 9:35 am
#3005
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,098
Thanks, even though it was well under the 20k mpm0, 21k mpm5, AC must enforce some routing rules like this.
Called in again this morning, dropped the YVR loop and just went YUL-YYZ to end it, and it validated.
Missed the UA SYD-LAX flight since last night which would have cut the travel time significantly and saved a one way ticket.
The following flights were dropped, hopefully they go back into I inventory, if anybody is looking:
9/26/2014 SEA NRT NH1077 13:30 16:00
9/27/2014 NRT AKL NZ90 18:30 9:15
10/28/2014 SYD YVR AC34 10:25 7:30
Called in again this morning, dropped the YVR loop and just went YUL-YYZ to end it, and it validated.
Missed the UA SYD-LAX flight since last night which would have cut the travel time significantly and saved a one way ticket.
The following flights were dropped, hopefully they go back into I inventory, if anybody is looking:
9/26/2014 SEA NRT NH1077 13:30 16:00
9/27/2014 NRT AKL NZ90 18:30 9:15
10/28/2014 SYD YVR AC34 10:25 7:30
Jul 18, 2014, 9:52 am
#3006
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,534
I only got the ticket number for one.... none on the other. At what point should I follow up?
Jul 18, 2014, 11:24 am
#3007
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: YYZ
Programs: AMEX AC CX UA AA DL
Posts: 3,008
Jul 18, 2014, 11:25 am
#3008
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: YYZ
Programs: AMEX AC CX UA AA DL
Posts: 3,008
Jul 18, 2014, 11:49 am
#3009
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: YQR
Programs: no status
Posts: 1,052
I am just building an itinerary for a trip to Europe, target 90K miles for all J. I have found availability for the following route piecing it together as one way trips. Would this be considered a valid itinerary:
YWG -> ORD -> WAW -> AMS ... stop
AMS -> TXL ... turnaround
TXL -> ZRH ... stop
ZRH -> IST -> YUL -> YWG
YWG -> ORD -> WAW -> AMS ... stop
AMS -> TXL ... turnaround
TXL -> ZRH ... stop
ZRH -> IST -> YUL -> YWG
Jul 18, 2014, 11:55 am
#3010
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
I am just building an itinerary for a trip to Europe, target 90K miles for all J. I have found availability for the following route piecing it together as one way trips. Would this be considered a valid itinerary:
YWG -> ORD -> WAW -> AMS ... stop
AMS -> TXL ... turnaround
TXL -> ZRH ... stop
ZRH -> IST -> YUL -> YWG
YWG -> ORD -> WAW -> AMS ... stop
AMS -> TXL ... turnaround
TXL -> ZRH ... stop
ZRH -> IST -> YUL -> YWG
Not sure if TXL or ZRH is further = destination
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ywg-ord...rh-ist-yul-ywg
From To Initial
Heading Distance
3 segment path: 6079 mi
YWG (49°54'36"N 97°14'24"W) ORD (41°58'46"N 87°54'27"W) 137.2° (SE) 708 mi
ORD (41°58'46"N 87°54'27"W) WAW (52°09'57"N 20°58'02"E) 38.9° (NE) 4685 mi
WAW (52°09'57"N 20°58'02"E) AMS (52°18'31"N 4°45'50"E) 277.2° (W) 686 mi
AMS (52°18'31"N 4°45'50"E) TXL (52°33'35"N 13°17'16"E) 83.9° (E) 360 mi
TXL (52°33'35"N 13°17'16"E) ZRH (47°27'53"N 8°32'57"E) 212.8° (SW) 410 mi
3 segment path: 7036 mi
ZRH (47°27'53"N 8°32'57"E) IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) 106.7° (E) 1097 mi
IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) YUL (45°28'14"N 73°44'27"W) 313.0° (NW) 4805 mi
YUL (45°28'14"N 73°44'27"W) YWG (49°54'36"N 97°14'24"W) 294.2° (NW) 1133 mi
Total: 13885 m
Heading Distance
3 segment path: 6079 mi
YWG (49°54'36"N 97°14'24"W) ORD (41°58'46"N 87°54'27"W) 137.2° (SE) 708 mi
ORD (41°58'46"N 87°54'27"W) WAW (52°09'57"N 20°58'02"E) 38.9° (NE) 4685 mi
WAW (52°09'57"N 20°58'02"E) AMS (52°18'31"N 4°45'50"E) 277.2° (W) 686 mi
AMS (52°18'31"N 4°45'50"E) TXL (52°33'35"N 13°17'16"E) 83.9° (E) 360 mi
TXL (52°33'35"N 13°17'16"E) ZRH (47°27'53"N 8°32'57"E) 212.8° (SW) 410 mi
3 segment path: 7036 mi
ZRH (47°27'53"N 8°32'57"E) IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) 106.7° (E) 1097 mi
IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) YUL (45°28'14"N 73°44'27"W) 313.0° (NW) 4805 mi
YUL (45°28'14"N 73°44'27"W) YWG (49°54'36"N 97°14'24"W) 294.2° (NW) 1133 mi
Total: 13885 m
Jul 18, 2014, 11:55 am
#3011
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2
mini-rtw questions
Want to book a mini-rtw ticket, hope someone can help me.
I will start from ORD, want to go to AKL.
I hope my first leg to be: ord---icn/pek/pvg (stopover)---akl (des), the second leg would cross the Atlantic, so it will not exceed MPM. The first leg will definitely exceed MPM (9914 miles), so I have to find out a published route. I tried on expert flyer，but only find ord-nrt-akl to be the only available published route. However, I prefer ord-icn/pvg/pek-akl or ord---icn/nrt---pek/pvg---akl.
My questions are:
1：is there a published route as "ord-icn/pvg/pek-akl" or "ord---icn/nrt---pek/pvg---akl"?
2：I have seen somebody have done yul-ord-nrt-tpe-pek-akl. Is it a published route?
Thanks all.
I will start from ORD, want to go to AKL.
I hope my first leg to be: ord---icn/pek/pvg (stopover)---akl (des), the second leg would cross the Atlantic, so it will not exceed MPM. The first leg will definitely exceed MPM (9914 miles), so I have to find out a published route. I tried on expert flyer，but only find ord-nrt-akl to be the only available published route. However, I prefer ord-icn/pvg/pek-akl or ord---icn/nrt---pek/pvg---akl.
My questions are:
1：is there a published route as "ord-icn/pvg/pek-akl" or "ord---icn/nrt---pek/pvg---akl"?
2：I have seen somebody have done yul-ord-nrt-tpe-pek-akl. Is it a published route?
Thanks all.
Jul 19, 2014, 2:59 pm
#3012
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: YQR
Programs: no status
Posts: 1,052
Do you think it might help to call again and try with a different agent?
Jul 19, 2014, 3:06 pm
#3013
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: YUL
Posts: 969
Considering that she did pretend you could only go through FRA, she could have made other "mistakes", and I would certainly call again.
Jul 19, 2014, 7:00 pm
#3015
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: YQR
Programs: no status
Posts: 1,052
Thanks got an incredibly helpful and resourceful agent and spent about 3 hours on the phone, but we are very happy with the results. There will be two of us travelling at the end of August/beginning of September with the following flights:
YWG - ORD UA Y
ORD - WAW LO J
WAW - AMS LO J
AMS - ZRH LX J
We will have different returns to fit our vacation availability:
ZRH - IST TK J
IST - YUL TK J
YUL - YWG AC J
and
ZRH - YUL LX J
YUL - YWG AC J
Expense was 90K miles each as well as about $300 taxes and fees each. Yay!
YWG - ORD UA Y
ORD - WAW LO J
WAW - AMS LO J
AMS - ZRH LX J
We will have different returns to fit our vacation availability:
ZRH - IST TK J
IST - YUL TK J
YUL - YWG AC J
and
ZRH - YUL LX J
YUL - YWG AC J
Expense was 90K miles each as well as about $300 taxes and fees each. Yay!