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Should A3 try and compete in the TATL market?
There aren't any carriers that go nonstop to ATH from the US, and I think that they could try it and use it to expand their market share on European flights.
The only thing of offering a reasonable price and a competitive product.
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No. The market is too crowded, the Greek market is leisure oriented (relatively low yielding), and with the current Greek problems, A3 should not be trying to expand.
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This was one of the things that got Olympic into difficulty. Planes can be full, but it's hard to make money on ATH-JFK.
Plus they'd have to acquire a couple planes for the route, maintain a spare parts inventory, have mechanics trained and certified for them, etc. Some of this could be outsourced, but it would dramatically change their business model. Delays would really mess up the schedules because they would just have aircraft for the one route. They'd need to do a somewhat different type of meal service, train FAs for the route, etc.
It's tough for a carrier to serve only a single long haul route and worse when that route is seasonal.
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This was one of the things that got Olympic into difficulty. Planes can be full, but it's hard to make money on ATH-JFK.
Plus they'd have to acquire a couple planes for the route, maintain a spare parts inventory, have mechanics trained and certified for them, etc. Some of this could be outsourced, but it would dramatically change their business model. Delays would really mess up the schedules because they would just have aircraft for the one route. They'd need to do a somewhat different type of meal service, train FAs for the route, etc.
It's tough for a carrier to serve only a single long haul route and worse when that route is seasonal.
Some of the flts within Europe could use a 763 though, especially with the capacity of some routes I've seen >90% according to seat map.
TATL also has very high loads.
It would be nice for *A to capture another city though, as so far:
*A-MUC, FRA, ZRH,
OW-LHR, MAD, BCN
ST-CDG, AMS, FCO
are dominated by those alliances.
(And to an extent IST in Europe for *A)
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I wish they would but I honestly don't think it would make a lot of sense in the current economic environment. Besides, they seem quite happy promoting the sale of tickets on US.
This was one of the things that got Olympic into difficulty. Planes can be full, but it's hard to make money on ATH-JFK.
Plus they'd have to acquire a couple planes for the route, maintain a spare parts inventory, have mechanics trained and certified for them, etc. Some of this could be outsourced, but it would dramatically change their business model. Delays would really mess up the schedules because they would just have aircraft for the one route. They'd need to do a somewhat different type of meal service, train FAs for the route, etc.
It's tough for a carrier to serve only a single long haul route and worse when that route is seasonal.
JFK was actually making money until the last few years of A340 operations. All the rest lost money for decades . SYD MEL JNB NBO ETC.... Crazy crew salaries and stopover allowances all added to that. You should have seen what the crews claimed for you wouldn't believe it.
If Greece was not in the situation it is now then A3 might have made a 4x weekly with B787 but not going to happen it would make them bust.
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I wish they would but I honestly don't think it would make a lot of sense in the current economic environment. Besides, they seem quite happy promoting the sale of tickets on US.
I think that A3 Y would be preferred by many compared to US Y IMO.
Especially when in F their drinks are served in Dixie cups
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I think that A3 Y would be preferred by many compared to US Y IMO.
Especially when in F their drinks are served in Dixie cups
Their F class switched to real glasses I flew it recently -- although the hard product was sorely lacking. Also their TATL J is one of the best there is, surprisingly enough. Their Envoy suites use Cathay-style seats, and the food is supposedly pretty good too!
Great, if your on an A330 route. Not so great sweating for those cities served by 767's or 757's. That said I agree on their food. Handled the nicest piece of inflight steak I've ever had on US :O
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Their F class switched to real glasses I flew it recently -- although the hard product was sorely lacking. Also their TATL J is one of the best there is, surprisingly enough. Their Envoy suites use Cathay-style seats, and the food is supposedly pretty good too!
One of the worst flights of my life in Envoy PHL - LGW on an A330 swore never again .
Instead of TATL, the Greek is better off eliminating visa requirement for the Chinese tourists, and do ATH-PEK non-stop. They'll get plane loads of passengers with thick wads of cash that way.
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Instead of TATL, the Greek is better off eliminating visa requirement for the Chinese tourists, and do ATH-PEK non-stop. They'll get plane loads of passengers with thick wads of cash that way.
That would piss off the rest of the EU because from Greece they could go to FRA, PAR, LIS, MAD, VCE, WAW, ZRH, BRU, LUX, VIE.... you get the idea.
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I guess then that US,UA and DL arent considered Carriers in your mind as all 3 fly to ATH non-stop
I flew it recently -- although the hard product was sorely lacking. Also their TATL J is one of the best there is, surprisingly enough. Their Envoy suites use Cathay-style seats, and the food is supposedly pretty good too!
