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Old Jun 16, 2011, 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by RadioGirl
With that in mind, I don't believe that the recommendation to present photo ID for domestic flights is a prelude to a No Fly List in Australia. It appears to be an effort to fight organized crime and drug trafficking where people are traveling under false identities.

But I don't see a NFL conspiracy here.
Thanks for the info. How are they going to stop drug traffickers or people traveling under false identities without some sort of blacklist? Maybe not a no fly list but an equivalent to a US NCIC check (reports outstanding arrest warrants)

Checking ID without checking any sort of list, as the US started doing after TWA 800, is pure security theater that does nothing but prove passengers have a piece of laminated paper with a name and photo on it and condition passengers to showing it. It might catch a few people with bad fake IDs.

To gain any real security benefit there have to be blacklist checks.

Originally Posted by celle
I think you're over-reacting.
Really?

http://archives.californiaaviation.o.../msg26610.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/42646/
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/03/...n-no-fly-list/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/ny...watchlist.html

One a country starts down that slippery slope, it's very difficult to go back. These innocent victims and many others have suffered substantial indignities and been offered no effective redress or compensation by the government.

The US went down this slippery slope over the course of almost a decade. In 1996 after TWA 800, they started checking IDs, which the airlines liked because it meant people couldn't sell non-refundable tickets to others. Sometime between then and 9/11, they started having the airlines secretly check a no-fly list that had about a dozen names on it. After 9/11, the infrastructure was already in place to massively expand the list. But for months, maybe years, after 9/11, the government denied the existence of any sort of blacklist and dismissed the experiences of the innocent victims. Even after acknowledging the list existed, they refused to provide actual information or effective redress to victims.

And it all started with asking for ID to get a boarding pass.
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